I ran 5 of the block 2 PMAGS through a carbine class with approx 700 rounds fired and it was pure bliss. All mags were loaded with a full 30 rounds and tac reloads were just dandy.
I ran about 600 through four P-Mags last weekend during a class. Perfect feeding, last shot hold open, etc. However, one of the four will NOT seat on a closed bolt - nor will the cover install with 30 rounds loaded. I placed the mag on a table and tried to press the cover on - no dice. I pressed HARD and I made sure there were exactly 30 in there (if it’s even possible to overload them.)
I am sticking with 28 rounds loaded in everything except my HK mags - they are a little longer and easily take 30 every time. The P-Mag with the issue may loosen up with time, but for reliability sake I’ll go 28 rounds for now.
Unloading a P-Mag by hand is VERY easy and smooth, BTW. Not the PITA manyof the metal mags are.
It also confirms what Larry of CProducts said about Center mags being made by blind people.
CProducts initially made the Brownell’s mags. Brownell was not happy with the result. Brownell’s now make their magazines in house.
They are still making magazines for the military.
Look for an upcoming SWAT story…
had 6 shooters in class the past 2 days… gearing up for more training in the next few weeks, of the 12 cp mags 8 were junk fail to seat… with 28 rounds in 3 diffrent guns, failed to lock open fail ftf. gave the shooters pmags and HK and DH, all problems cleared right up.
these are not recreational shooters either.
its bad enough trying to train and fight without having to think about your gear…
[QUOTE=Steve;58529]had 6 shooters in class the past 2 days… gearing up for more training in the next few weeks, of the 12 cp mags 8 were junk fail to seat… with 28 rounds in 3 diffrent guns, failed to lock open fail ftf. gave the shooters pmags and HK and DH, all problems cleared right up.
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That is too bad. I have 12 of CP products SS mags that run great and another 20 aluminum that have been function tested but not run yet. I had plans of sending Larry and CP products a check for a bunch more of the SS but it seems that the recent quality issues have not been resolved.
Depends, On what you mean by run great… each mag before it goes in service is run over 200 rounds flawless before i think of trusting it…as a life saving device…the group of shooters i train with have had many issues with Larrys mags… they have gone either to trash or been used as malfunction training mags…(they wont pay to ship back a defective a mag.)
cheap or matter of principle there call… I stick to DH pmags and Hk.
I got 24 CP st st mags with CS springs late last year after they started to get a lot of good press. I had to debur the interior surface of some of the spot welds to get them to work smoothly and clean the rust off the springs. Originally they came with Magpul followers which it was later determined were not the best fit due to the differences in the interior dimensions of the mags compared to aluminum which the Magpuls were designed for. CP sent me out 24 of their special followers at no charge. I replaced the followers and all has gone well since. Due to the more recent problems CP is having with QC my next mag purchase will sadly not be from them. :o
Billy
I’ve been really happy with my CProducts mags. I got 12 aluminum ones with the black marlube finish, Magpul 2nd generation follower and chrome silicon springs for $12.20 a pop from Widener’s and thy’ve worked like a champ.
Thumbs up and I’ll purchase more when needed.
NHMTG …no problems with those.
I returned to the vendor 28 unopened CProduct mags that that I purchased them from after a stripper spoon would not fit. Also I have had 100% failure rate on 5 SS mags that I purchased with out of spec mag bodies, metal left over from spot welding, and fake Magpul followers. I will likely keep those already in use, but will now buy Pmags or another manufacturer of mags.
+1. Both the straight 20 rounders and the 30 rounders.
This mag issue confuses me. I read one post where brand X is the military supplier, and this particular company is good etc, etc, etc. Now I read that only one or two companies supply the military. What is a good mag to buy beside HK? I don’t like HK’s crappy, arogant attitude. And what about Parson’s, Adventure Line, Sanchez, etc? Are they no longer a military supplier, or did they get bought out and are now under different name? I want to purchase some more mags but am now confused as to which I should buy.
The best deal I’ve seen going is the teflon D&H which are available from several sources for $11-$13.
Just bought 100 of them from Ken Elmore, with his red spring. Should be here sometime today.
Bob
Agreed, plus HK and Colt mags - zero issues with all. Looking forward to trying the P-Mags soon.
These are 20 C-Products mags with the grey, anti tilt follower 30 rounders I bought from Midway for $9.95 each. They run well, and I will buy more the next time they put them on sale. I like the seperate packaging. They don’t arrive all scratched up. Bill T.
USGI Mags don’t have an NSN number on them.
D&H Mags are made on the tooling of the original USGI Contract Labelle mags. because they bought the tooling.
It doesn’t get any better except the teflon mags that DSG arms and other retailers sell that are manufactured to the USGI spec.
IMHO, the C Products Mags still have some “kinks” in their process and their reliability is questionable. I know there are some that swear by the C Products Mags, but there are an awful lot who have had problems. Very few have had issues with the USGI spec. mags.
Tack
Good stuff. Some of my red springs have been through several mag bodies, with no end of service life in sight.
I’ve found the original Colt 20s tend to be brittle & can crack/break when dropped. Most good quality mags will work very well if inspected & maintained properly. Overall, for the money, I think C-Products are the best buy in a metal mag after putting dozens of their 20s & 30s to hard use. But, don’t fall in love with any of them!