well I am torn I was going to build a UZI with the NoDak fully welded receivers .
But when I sat down and started to add up parts cost it is pretty damn close to a AR 9mm carbine. just a few extra hundred and I could get a Colt 9mm from Grant
I have had a UZI love them ,But heavy as hell .But a piece of history
AR Platform well I trained in the Military with this platform, Know My M4 well and shoot it well.
I would like to hear your thoughts Pros and Cons
I am really wanting a Pistol caliber Carbine and the 9mm being a common round , I would like to hear Members comments to help me decide thanks
SteyrAUG I want a AT-94P soooooo Bad ,But didn’t really see them till after the fact and Now everyone is selling them at 1300 and up Made on real HK Tooling would have been the closest way of owning a MP5 with out a 5000 price Much better than the US made clones
and Now No more Imports thanks ATF :rolleyes:
I saw the thread on the B&T are those even here yet ?don’t know much about it but it does look Like something I would want as a PDW.
Thinking about it the uzi being a Novelty is a true statement sort of a dated piece
I just picked one up for $1370+- Great platform.
I would highly recommend one. I think they still have a few for sale if interested send me a pm for details…
well I was browsing on Grants site and came across his Colt 6450 and thats what got me thinking.
the 94P would be Good, But the Colt is Cheaper and ready to go .
I would of course have to put a Stock and hand guards on it:D if i got the 94P
it is hard to believe they are up to 1400 retail didn’t they start out around 700?
this year is going to be like 2008 too with a election year= buying frenzy :eek:
I have all three as well (except my Uzi is a IMI) and I’m not sure I agree. The Uzi in my case is a SMG so it very well could be the most reliable of the three. And I’d be hard pressed to say which is the more reliable between the Colt and the MKE, I’ve never had one fail.
The only thing I don’t like about Uzis and Colts is the magazines are comparatively a PITA to load. Even if you know the bump load trick they are eventually hell on the thumbs.
Of the three the MKE (HK) is far more modular.
As far as accuracy, I shoot the MKE as well as I shoot the Colt. A semi Uzi is actually pretty accurate but the horrible stock makes things difficult. Wooden stocked semis actually aren’t bad but I find the sights to be too tight of a peep to be practical.
Since we’re talking SBR’s here, the Uzi is nothing more than a big clunky novelty gun. The weight isn’t helping anything on a closed bolt semi, plus the ergos suck, not a good platform for optics, plus you take a reliability hit on the conversion.
You really have to be hyped up on some 80’s action stuff or “Hooray for Israel” to convince yourself that a semi Uzi is a good idea.
I had break in with the MKE plus S. Korean mags, and now it’s been perfect after that. I had similar experience with my 9mm AR before I got my buffer weight up. They’re both reliable over 1K now, so I agree it’s a wash.
I have no idea what you mean, but they’re both double feed mags so they are both quick and easy to load.
Now the M-11/9 on the other hand…
You mean modular as in you can swap out the buttstock… maybe the handguard???
A 9mm AR can transform itself into a .300BLK, 5.7, .50 cal… so long as you’re not running a pinned block.
Both are accurate for me as well, but the AR is a much more solid platform for optics. I personally am faster and more accurate with an EOtech XPS than I am with irons.
The closed bolt setup isn’t the same, that said I haven’t observed any reliability problems in my Model As. Weight of course is the huge detraction, and it is a bit clunky due to the necessities of the conversion.
Compared to MP5 mags they are both a PITA.
Yeah, I meant configuration, especially trigger pack options. Can’t really go from SF to SEF to S,1,3,A with the same ease on most other firearms. If we are talking about ability to swap calibers the Uzi trumps all of them.
Well as far as I know Colt doesn’t make a flat top 9mm. I think most would prefer a B&T low rail to a carry handle mount on a Colt.
I think we both have similar experience and each have our own preferences. But I think you originally stated some preferences as absolutes. And that is the only thing I really addressed.
Looking at the OP, we’re talking about a Nodak build. Unless the OP has the capability to produce a post sample gun, I don’t think this is relevant.
I still don’t see any difference at all. they’re both dual feed 9mm mags and load exactly the same.
Well… again, I’m assuming the OP doesn’t have a registered sear pack lying around, but if I had what you listed above, I would only ever need the S-1-3-A and maybe a few grip housings to keep my other guns held together.
lol… you’re a true Uzi enthusiast, and I salute you.
Can’t turn an Uzi from a sub gun to an SBR to a carbine to a rifle to a precision gun though…
I can’t find anything wrong with an RRA 9mm upper and have had excellent results with mine. The B&T may actually be last before Uzi on my list too… I just don’t see that “format” of weapon being effectively employed.
Agreed. I think most folks would prefer a 9mm AR to an Nodak Uzi if shot side by side. (Performance based comparison, and excluding any emotions felt)
Not according to my thumbs. While we are at it, when dropped Uzi/AR 9mm mags will spill and MP5 mags won’t.
I gotta stop doing that. I go from semi SBR to SMG pretty easily. But the HK is pretty modular, especially when it comes to changing configuration without tools.
I was just noting the ease of the caliber change with an Uzi. ARs can change caliber, but you need entire different uppers to do it, it’s not quite the same as a bolt and barrel swap.
I meant a B&T low rail mount on a MKE (HK), most people prefer them to HK claw mounted optics.
lol, hope it’s fun for you… b/c that’s about all you can do.
It’s cheaper and easier to swap calibers on an AR type. (seen the price of a .45 Uzi mag lately?)
And you have access to many, many, more calibers.
I didn’t realize you were talking about that, and I agree it is superior to the claw type mounts, but there is no clip-on that will match a flat top AR receiver.
So wait… after all that we’re in complete agreement?!
I have lots of experience with this matter. If you drop full Uzi or Colt mags on a hard surface they will spill rounds, MP5 mags don’t. Feel free to conduct your own experiments. Toss Colt or Uzi mags on some plywood on a hard surface (so you don’t fuck up your mags) and then do the same with MP5 mags.
I meant in discussions of these firearms. We get started talking about semi variants and without thinking about it I start discussing attributes of the select fire versions. I was saying I have to watch myself to prevent doing that.
.45 Uzi mags cost more than complete AR uppers?
Sure but only if you have a RRA and the like. If you have a 6450 or a Colt SMG you are limited to carry handle optics.
I actually never said the Uzi was the better of the three. I just don’t know if the 9mm AR is the definite winner. I tried to be candid and honest about the Uzi but either I didn’t express it very well or you took it the wrong way.
Of the three I would always rate the Uzi (especially a semi close bolt SBR) last. Same probably is true for the SMG variants of all three. But I think I’d also put the MKE/HK first, though the 9mm AR would be a close second place. And that is due to small preferences on my part and not because the MKE/HK is any kind of clear and obvious winner.
would have been the closest way of owning a MP5 with out a 5000 price Much better than the US made clones