Im not LEO/Mil. Most of you are aware of that.
I train without chest rigs, body armor etc. Instead I pull my mags from pockets.
My logic is…If shit actually went down, Im not gonna stop to throw it on.
Pockets work just fine and thats how I train.
Is training or using chest rig or carrier with plates law? And why.
I’m LE and I usually just run rifle mags out of my cargo pocket in class. When I grab my rifle at work I usually end up grabbing a spare mag and dumping it in my left cargo pocket. Very rarely do I grab my chest rig from the car while at work.
Matt
Thats what Im lookin for.
I like hearing it from LE that they keep it simple.
Pockets are just as effective if not MORE so.
I understand the need for valuable tools, but it doesnt mean you HAVE to use it. Just because soemthing is on the market, doesnt mean you have to buy it up.
I prefer to kep it simple and NOT carry a bunch of SHIT that I dont need where as I can get the same results without it
I see nothing wrong with “pulling mags from pockets” for you since that’s more fitting to your lifestyle. I’m not LEO/Mil either so I don’t train with armor or chest rigs and such. I run a pretty simple and slick set up with mags on my belt in kydex carriers which is the same as I carry daily. Only difference is that for a class I will add a couple rifle mags in Kydex carriers to my belt.
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When I use a civilian range, I prefer to wear jeans and use the left rear pocket. Even when shooting 2 or 3 gun comps I’ll utilize the same technique.
Totally agree with you BCm and I (non-LE and no longer .mil) don’t use chest rigs, etc. either. But I can think of reason to use such items even though, realistically, we’d never be using them in “real life”… and that’s to help keep focus on other skills while you’re training.
My example is for handguns (sorry, i know the OP was about carbines, but I think the point is the same). I start my defensive handgun classes wearing exactly what I carry daily… IWB holster and one spare mag. But usually I’ll switch to OWB and double or triple spare mags about halfway through class. The reason is that after dozens of draws/reholsters, I find I’m starting to get mentally tired of draw/reholster practice enought that it takes away from other things like trigger control, sight focus, etc.
Yes, it’s important to put them all together for train-like-you-fight or whatever. That’s why I do it 1/2 the day. But personally I like to make some things easier so I can devote energy to refining other specific skills.
So I can see why something like a first line-ish belt or chest rig might still have practical value for a non-LE, non-.mil trainee.
ETA: And by “draw/reholster practice” I mean the extra motion associated with concealment, which is not a big deal, except for the fact I need to keep up with everyone else who’s not concealing for class. I don’t like practicing speed reholsters.
Make sure your pockets are clear of lint and such. thats about it. Less money spent on gear you dont need is a good thing.
When I grab my long gun, my spare mag goes in my back offside BDU pocket, which I keep empty for this purpose. Even with my plates on, the back pocket is my first reload, since I’m more used to it.
I wouldn’t worry about it. Keeping it simple wil let you A) work your gear on the range the same way you would in real life, and B)let you focus more on the training, and have less gear to fight or otherwise deal with.
I run from pockets in training classes and while teaching. I am a Civy and the odds of me having a mag pouch on is typically pretty low.
C4
Im glad to hear of like minded people.
Often time I think guys are judged by gear and the way they do things.
As long as youre getting the same outcome, I really see no difference in what is used or how its done.
Will stuff a mag or two in pants when training; in addition to Blade-Tech holders on belt or chest rig.
I encourage people coming to class to use what they are most likely to use in their expected employment of their carbine.
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I made the mistake of sticking a galco dual pouch in my back jeans pocket. Tried to grab the mag and it got hung, then the whole deal came out. What a mess. This is pistol mags btw.
Stacked them in there loose after that.
I am fortunate in that most of my paints are 5.11 rip-stops in OD provided free by work, I have like 20 pair now, they breed like rabbits. They have a built-in pistol mag pouch over the left thigh.
I go casual after hours simply by removing my uniform shirt and replacing it with a Tee-Shirt.
I carry my CCW reload in the built-in pouch.
I’ve done it in competition before & it works just fine for me. I don’t see the need to wear a chest rig for one, maybe two mag changes. I’ll wear a one mag belt holster, & if I need any more than that, back left pocket it is. It makes it much less cumbersome.
“Practice how you play”, or “train like how your gonna fight”.
Might be a bit cheesy of a saying, but none the less true.
When I’m protecting clients CONUS I use my pockets for Mags etc.
It’s fine & just remember to refill if you use.
Obviously BA yes, can’t wear Plate Carrier or Vest in public generally on private detail.
Thats the truth, but in the end. “You fight like you trained” bad habits and all.
I usually train with a single mag pouch on the off side. The rest go in pockets.