Anyone else like pump guns?

General Firearms General Bolt & Lever Action Rifle
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Looking good.
I like lever guns.
But I love pump guns.

I learned to shoot using an 1890 22 WRF that was my dad’s and his dad’s.

I have been looking for a .357 pump for ages.

I finally found a Thunderbolt .357.

Unfortunately, I am having trouble with rounds on occasion popping out under the lifter and jamming it up. I have not found a good OAL that will not do this at all, just some less than others.

It may be going back, but what a shame it’s not reliable.
It’s a good companion to an 8 shot 608 revolver.

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I like pumps!!:dance3:

Rem7600 in 35 whelen Leupold 2-7 Vx-2 in qr base. Semi’s aren’t legal for hunting in PA so the “Amish Machine Gun” is very popular! Lot’s of knock down power and handles like a shotgun

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Sweet, and I like the hell out of 35 Whelen too!

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I have a couple of IMI Timberwolves in .357Mag. Great rifles! Allways looking for another…

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So you’re the one with all the Timberwolves! I admired them back in the early 90’s but, being a poor student, could not afford one. Haven’t seen one since. I’ve got a great lever gun in .357 but I think one of those pumps in that caliber would be great fun!

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Not all. But I have missed out on a couple of them due to seller (over)pricing. Was trying to ‘corner the market’ by owning appox 1/10th of 1% of total production. Still working on that one.

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I never did get a chance to grab a Timberwolf.

I did not even lay hands on this Thunderbolt after years of not coming across one.

I hope I get it sorted out good.

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Her’s a possible solution to your feeding issue.

http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=3719.0

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I actually at one time had this crazy thought that, in the name of standardization, I would ditch pretty much everything and replace it with:

Remington 7600 in .308

Remington 7600 in .223

Remington 870 12 ga 28" bbl

Remington 870P 12 ga

Remington 572 Fieldmaster

That would pretty much have everything I do with/need a gun for covered (other than CCW) with nearly identical weapons manipulations.

I never went through with it though.:o

It was just one of my many weapon thought experiments.

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These are notorious for malfunctioning. The CASS crowd out here tried to get many of those Taurus rifles to work for many years with no luck. The Uberti ones are supposed to be much more reliable. Good luck with it and if you plan to keep it buy parts. I think Taurus stopped making them.

And I like pumps as well. I have a converted 742 and a Savage 170.

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Remington 14/141 are nice vintage guns that work well.

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I’ve got a Rem 760 in .30-06 - the Pennsylvania Deer Rifle.

looking for 10rd mags for this. same mags as 7600 possibly . I know they made them - anyone see any available?

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I used to have a 760 in '.06. I sold the gun awhile back and threw a couple of the Eagle 10-rounders into the bargain. Otherwise, I’d sell them to you. I have seen steel mags on e-Bay that look like the Triple-K models. They are going for a premium, of course, $50 and up. I can’t speak to their reliability. I do notice that Triple-K has them on their website for somewhat less.
Check this:
http://www.armslist.com/posts/1188370/erie-pennsylvania-magazines-for-sale--ram-line-10-rd--mag-remington-760---7600

I noticed a January ad for another that is still up, also.Might be worth your while.
The 10-rounders are great to have. Reliability is hit-or-miss in the aftermarket magazines.

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thanks man, gonna check it out…

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Oh yeah, Rem. 7600 .308 & Timberwolf .44mag. I find shooting 44 mag out of pump gun alot of fun.

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I have a Remington 7600 Carbine 30-06. It’s blued with the nice wood. I have a Leupold VX-II 2-7x33mm Scope on it. It’s my all round deer, black bear and boar rifle/carbine. Though I’ve only used it for deer hunting to date.

I have to get the front forearm fixed. It’s well beyond the typical “7600 rattle”.

NYH1.

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I would love to have this one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=331856772

The Lightening gunsmith Guru is Eldon “El Rod” Penner and is the “go to” person for this rifle. Eldon’s eMail address is HEPENNER@aol.com.

If Eldon’s backlog is tool long, the best guy for this work and a quick turnaround time is Dennis Olson in Plains, Montana. His phone number is (406)826-3790

Be aware that talented people like this are different sometimes and he isn’t very talkative, but don’t let that stop you, he can fix or repair any aspect of that rifle.

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Thanks for the info. I think I have a clue what is going on now. I was happy to find one but not happy about rounds getting under the lifter.

I hit the range again today and put 10 strings of 5 shots each through it without any jams with two ammos. 38 Special LRN 150 grain Winchester White Box, and Fiocchi FMJ truncated cone 142 grain.

I grew up instructed to vigorously work a pump, whether an 1890 or a shotgun. And it worked for those other pumps I have used. When you vigorously work the Thunderbolt, rounds in the mag tube can slip out past the cartridge stop and jam under the lifter.

You can work it firm and fast, like I did today. But vigorously beating it like a red headed step child jars it, and that seems to be what allows a round to possibly to jam under the lifter.

The good news is, knowing this you can probably reliably work the gun 99.9% of the time.

The bad news is, in the excitement of competition, let alone getting shot at or having an animal run at you, chances are you are going to pump that rifle like a one-legged madman at an ass kicking contest. That will jar it. Working it in a way that jars it I could get no more than 6 rounds through it without a jam.

The medium news is that it is probably an easy fix. The cartridge stop is not very wide, and does not come up to obscure all that much of the magazine tube opening. Depending on what it is made of, you could probably weld the tip of it, and then file it down so that it is a millimeter or so taller and wider. At least I think so. I have not taken it down enough to see if that will mess with anything. That will make it harder for the round to jump over it under the lifter when the gun is jarred.

The cartridge stop is also ridiculously easy to push down. A jarring of the gun, and the rim of the cartridge in the mag tube, under pressure from the mag tube spring, have it easier than a dude with a cool car and a drunk fat chick for a prom date.

The cartridge stop spring needs more oomph. I don’t now how easy it would be to source a stronger flat, or to tack a small coiled spring under it, but that would also help ameliorate the problem. One or the other or both, but that should solve it.

Anyways, if it was that easy to fix, why has Taurus not done it? Why have the CASS gunsmiths not done it? I don’t know, the other Thunderbolt clones that cost two to three times as much may just be easier to pick up instead of messing with these. They are not easy to find and have been discontinued twice.

I have seen plenty of other stuff on cars, equipment, other firearms that I do not know why the company made it or still makes it that way, etc.