Any other gun companies refuse to sell guns to Israel Like Heckler and Koch?
You would think a company founded by Nazi engineers would be a little embarrassed about boycotting Jews. Any other gun companies out there doing this?
I don’t think Israel uses HK firearms anyway.
Well, I know they use Colts,Glocks and CZs or at least they did when I was there a few months ago.
Interesting question.
Israel makes a lot of its own guns and I dont think they use HK anyways
I cant speak for HK , and am only speculating, but part of me thinks this is to avoid accusations of “favoritism”. I don’t think they are boycotting Jews as much as the Israeli Govt (Me personally, I am for separation of church and state, I would hate for my denomination or faith to be conflated with my government)
Not selling to Saud is a big positive first step though.
Buuuut…at the end of the day, if North Korean elites can get iPads and Jack Daniels then I’m sure the Mossad or whomever can get some HK 416s if they really wanted them.
Money talks and BS walks.
Afghan Muslims used Israeli AKs in the 80s to kill Russians so there it is.
I doubt this will bankrupt HK, I doubt they stopped selling guns.
Perhaps its slight naivete but this is similar to what Apple does and yet, people worship the Cult.
They are selling a heavy, stamped metal pistol for $2500+ and folks are buying them.
So I wouldnt overthink it.
JMHO
I could care less if Israel uses them. I just want to make sure I don’t buy any guns from a company is anti-Israel.
**** HK. I’ve always hated them as a company. Their products are solid but their leadership deserves to burn to the ground.
I have been a huge fan and loyal customer since 1991. Until they change this I’m not going to have anything to do with them.
Were those Mauser engineers nazis? I honestly don’t know. I know they went to Spain to develop the CETME rifle which was a refinement of the Stg45(M). I know the former Mauser factory was destroyed in the French sector at the insistence of the Russians. And I know some of those former employees working in Spain bought the old site and rebuilt it as Heckler and Kock, Mauser simply moved down the street and built a new facility.
I can’t say I completely understand the rationale behind refusing to sell their products to Israel, especially when Israel is getting pretty much everything they need free from the US and if we aren’t giving it to them they are more than capable of producing their own small arms.
Of course the declaration they will not sell to Saudi, Pakistan, Turkey, etc. is equally pointless as somebody already noted those countries already have HK contract facilities and pretty much don’t need Germany for anything. In fact Iran can still crank out G3s if they want from their 1970s factories.
So this seems to be a meaningless PC statement designed to appear to take a stance against terrorism and / or to alleviate themselves of some of the guilt about G3s being one of the second favored weapons of terrorists right behind the AK. Stir in some NSDAP personal guilt complex and presto Germany is doing incredibly stupid things like converting to Islam wholesale but refusing to send guns to countries that might have terrorists even though those countries are chock full of small arms including HK contract arms.
I honestly feel sorry for Germany, they will never again be an independent country and will be just another socialist craphole occupied by a hostile invader. Instead of stating they won’t sell guns to Israel, they should be studying the Israel model.
If Yoni chooses to join the discussion he can confirm specifics, but in an unrelated thread last month we were discussing 7.62 NATO precision rifles used by the IDF and he stated they used “HKs/M21s/and bolt guns”. Now whether or not the IDF is still procuring HK arms up to the date of this new policy I don’t know but will let Yoni learn us as he has contacts and family still there.
Excellent post.
I have a hard time seeing the rationale in what they are doing or the way they did the announcement.
That being said, having made the decision to sell only to ‘green’ countries, my bet is that they asked themselves whether they get more blow back by selling to Israel or by stopping sales to Israel. It seems that they felt stopping sales to Israel was the answer.
JMO.
If they want to become an ‘ethical’ arms manufacturer they should probably stop production of all their firearms save their recreational target shooting lineup, if they have one. PETA you know.
So, “if you decline to bake a cake for a gay wedding because as a company you choose not to support that lifestyle, you’re homophobic”… but for gun manufacturers…
Ironic.
As ridiculous as this entire new policy of theirs sounds at face value, and as shocked as I am that they haven’t trotted out some sort of “U.S. gun violence statistics” in order to stop selling here along with the rest, it’s still the company’s choice WHO they sell guns and whatever else they make to.
We’re not the only country on earth that gets to choose who gets what arms we produce…
Accuracy International and Steyr refuse to sell to Israel as well.
Nobody today is buying HK guns in Israel, only 1 unit bought HK sniper rifles and today better rifles are available.
The US is too big a market. Moral outrage only goes so far if there are enough Deutschmarks on the line.
MVP post of the thread.
And, someome said HK was “refusing Jews”.
I highly doubt that.
A Jew in America can go on down to a gun store and if he had the money; could walk home with any and all current HK catalogue guns.
A Jew in Israel, from what I hear, has to go through some hoops just to own a gun.
Its not quite “Here have a gun” like Switzerland unless they are active Army.
I think HK is just trying to remove themselves from the whole ME spiel and likely because Germany don’t have their crap together.
I agree though, by not maturely acknowledging the past and moving on and playing German guilt that they are setting themselves up for another backlash.
No its not “cool”. Dudes marching in Feldgrau with shovels beating on Haji will just stir up more BS dragging everyone down too.
If ya wanna know what Hillary’s presidency would have been like; look at Merkel.
But that’s a tangent…
Ah Germany…they’re pretty good at making stuff…cars, guns whatever…but ideas? I don’t don’t think ANY good ideas have come out of Germany since maybe Martin Luther. As imperfect as Israel is, as is most countries, HK doesn’t seem to be able to make proper distinctions, pretty much the same as their home country.
Exactly, and what defines “ethical”? For those on the PC side, ethical = no more guns.
Why is it ALWAYS the Effing Germans, lol…
“I’ve just got like, this 5.56 okay? And it’s 55 grain ball. And everybody I’ve ever seen shot with it, it dicks them up.”
---Clint Smith
Thunder Ranch
Honestly, I think somebody in Germany realizes they are currently well occupied and probably need to show some perceived distance between themselves and Israel before their “new arrivals” burn things down wholesale.
When I called Steyr to get replacement stocks for SSG1 sniper rifles we had captured from Syria, I was told very clearly “we do not sell guns to Jews”
I’m no expert on Europe, but man they really, really don’t sound like they have gotten over their “Jew” issues, but just buried their deserved guilt under some unresolved shame. Now it seems fashionable to let all that pent up Jew anger out, seems being pro-Islam sets these folks free.
It might be a tangent, but it’s the truth.