Any other annoying pistol trends?

I am annoyed and just want to complain.

  • RDS capable but mount high so sights must be stupid high or aren’t available. (Beretta and Springfield come to mind)

  • Too-short grips! Full size or Subcompact. We need more “compact”. I don’t want my little finger on the magazine. Especially for the compact .45’s. (Springfield, S&W Sheild for example) Where are our optic-capable compacts that aren’t Glocks?

I often want things nobody else does, though. I’d absolutely buy a Glock Gen 5 G38 with a low-milled optic mount. Or a Gen 5 G36X. (Longer grip and 8+1)

Why the hell didn’t Beretta just do like Langdon to lower the mount on the 92X RDO? Why aren’t there low-milled RDS alloy-framed 4.25 in 1911’s and 2011’s?

I’d like to hear your rant about pistols / pistol products that annoy you.

I’d offer that most manufacturers/producers are less “shooters” than just, business men.

Most of us are wondering why anyone is making new pistols for .40 or .45, and you are asking for a new 45GAP? Is your inability to find a longer gripped compact because you are excluding 9mm? I’d like a ShieldX but have you seen a G43X or P365X?

There are things in the slide like firing pins, strikers, extractors, springs, so the question is really why do consumers demand an optics cut on pistols that are obviously not well suited for it?

I’ve been shooting .45 more lately and reloading it, too. I like it.

About 9mm, yes. In a large-ish, daily CC gun I’d rather have about 10 rds of .45 than 15 rds of 9mm.

Wanting an optic, mounted low, and wanting back-up sights, significantly reduces gun options.

I think we will see a move towards new designs with lower and better integrated optics. Clearly we are not there yet, as neither manufacturers nor consumers seem realistic about what should and should not be optics ready.

Annoying to me is quality and the tendencey to “get that son of a bitch on the market, we’re not waiting around for testing, and we’re not going to waste ten minutes per gun to make sure it’s reliable!”

And, “If it breaks it breaks! It probably won’t break because the numbers tell us they won’t shoot it much anyway! Now SHIP THEM!”

What do you mean, “…should and should not be…”? (Genuinely curious)

There are some pistols that obviously don’t integrate well with optics cuts. It shouldn’t take ridiculously tall iron sights to see them through the optic.

My position is that if you can’t fit an optic well into the slide, you shouldn’t try to use one on the pistol.

I think a part of the reason people say the dot is difficult to find can be if it’s mounted too high the presentation has to be different.

Every one of us here understands why 9mm is the standard. But .45acp is just the shit and I don’t care what anyone says…

I’m annoyed that Glock has yet to put out a Gen 5 Glock 30 that has the slide dimensions of the 30S and a longer grip to accommodate a 10rd Mag that’s NOT extended. You know… Glock 19 dimensions but in a .45acp package with 10+1 rounds. We all know it’s coming and the G21.5 seems to confirm it, but I wish it would hurry.

Quality Control is a big one, SW for example, 2 Performance Center revolvers in the last month going back, both cylinder issues, binding. A third we could fix, loose ejector rod–how does that get out of QC? Of course the elephant man-Equalizer-wtf. They could at least dump that grip safety from the EZ line. Big thing is on the PC EZ line, the grip safety is larger, so that tells me they know that the smaller one causes shooter related problems. Yes, a training issue in a sense but one has to alter the grip slightly to insure its depressed.

That and the gay assed shiiit of folks thumbing the front end of a slide to “press check” and if you don’t have a light, dot and 20 rounds in your gun, you will die idiots.

Good God 9mm has wrecked my pistol shooting. We we’ve taken a 45 out for the last two weeks and 4 of us shooters look like complete shit. Two guys who aren’t as active in shooting as Pappabear and I just couldn’t hit shit.

I had to REALLY slow down and super focus on getting a clean break on the trigger. I really need to pick up some 40 cal ammo and get used to shooting a full powered pistol again. It’s disturbing.

Good one! Quality is absolutely a problem!

A couple years ago I decided “I’m getting away from .45 acp forever.”

Then I started reloading. Concerns of cumulative recoil on the wrists and cost of shooting it are both considerably reduced by reloading. .45 acp is pretty versatile. Want a 255 gr bullet loaded hot for penetration? It can do it. Want a lightweight, low recoiling SD bullet that expands to near an inch with reduced penetration? Can do. Want just a 180-200 gr lead / coated bullet at 800 fps for low-recoil practice / fun? It will do that, too!

Plus, with my timer, I’ve learned that the extra recoil of .45 doesn’t actually slow my shooting or lessen my accuracy. Much to my dismay, actually. Because for years I’ve been of the opinion that, “if all service pistol bullets suck, why not carry the Beretta Cheetah .32 /.380 I enjoy so much? At least I get hits faster than any 9x19, let alone a more powerful cartridge.” Wrong. I can draw and fire them all as quickly with the same accuracy at close range. At longer range the bigger guns can get the hits more easily than the small ones. Duh. Especially with an optic.

Now, I’ve found I can shoot .45 acp just as fast with the same accuracy. If I can find the right gun, afford the ammo, the gun holds “enough” bullets for me, and each bullet may have more “stopping power” (Yea, I said it!) why not carry it?

I’ve got a new .45 pistol coming for try-outs right now. :slight_smile:

Did you find a longer grip compact?

It’s going to be close. I have medium sized hands and I saw reviews of other guys claiming that with the magwell flare removed (designed to be removable) they can scrunch their little finger just onto the baseplate.

There are extended factory base plates that are available should the extra 3/8 in be desired.

The gun isn’t light, to help dampen recoil. It isn’t heavy, so I’ll carry it. It is optics-ready and I’ll put my 507C on it. Higher iron sights available from Dawson Precision. Holds 9+1, changeable backstrap, and for a little extra safety, has a grip safety.

You know what it is and I’m going to give it a chance. :rolleyes: :smiley:

Yea, Ned, this is why most used guns are a fair deal. People rarely shoot like many guys on this forum and shoot weekly. So guns are mostly pre owned more than used.

I’m annoyed I don’t have more guns, that’s about it.

PB

Only about 200 rds through the Springfield XDM Elite Compact (I think that’s correct) and except for my reloads being long for it, it worked fine & I like it.

My reloads had been tailored for the M&P 2.0 but the XDM has a slightly shorter chamber, apparently, causing the slide to just barely not close all of the way and making it tough to eject the unfired round. I’ll push those bullets in a tad more and retry them. 200 gr LFN. S&B, Silvertips, and Underwood 185 gr +p Nosler JHP also ran fine.

I appreciated the larger 507c optic window over the Leupold Micro.

Surprisingly, the XDM had LESS recoil than the full size M&P. It’s because the grip is slightly wider and more rounded, and the dual recoil springs probably helped alot, too. That was a nice surprise.

Excellent ejection, good accuracy, no trigger issues.

Need to shoot it more & get tall sights for it.

Men still buy guns. I know the feminization of everything in America has also permeated pistol calibers, but some guys still shoot the men’s division!!! :stuck_out_tongue:

I said new guns, as in new designs.

I wasn’t suggesting they stop making 1911’s for old people yet.

Such toxic masculinity! :wink: