what is the reason you do i like them?
putting bipod and Vertical grip is too much?
I’m not sure what you’re asking. Are you speaking of the vert grip that has the bipod that comes out of the bottom of it?
I don’t personally like vert grips anymore but the question overall is subjective to the person asking it. The only way to decide is to try it yourself and see how it suits you.
Edit: The reason I don’t like them is because I haven’t ever been able to find a spot for it on the rail where I’ve felt completely comfortable with it. After taking it off recently to perform some preventative maint. I found that I feel like I have much better control of the weapon without it. As I said though, it depends on how you feel about it. It’s impossible to give you a definitive answer either way.
Somewhere I read that Reed Knight threw in the vertical grips way back when the military first started buying his rails for M4’s. The military came back and asked for more grips because it improved the accuracy of the troops by a surprisingly significant percentage. I like 'em, but I know the trend seems to be away from them, in the civilian population at least.
Vertical grips have a place…but entirely too many people put them on their rifles because…well, that’s what people do.
I go back and forth between having a vert grip on my rifles. At this point in time, I find I get more use out of them with longer rails, where I can get the VG out underneath or just behind where the FSB on a carbine length gas system is. Paul Howe’s most recent newsletter said it well.
When attending a course as a new student, learn to shoot your weapon “slick,” with iron sights and not too much fancy gear. Vertical foregrips and new semi-horizontal foregrips force you to put your hand in one position and many times that may not be the most ergonomic position for your body. What happens is that you must learn to shoot an after-market part that someone developed for who knows what. In the end, you need to put your front hand in one spot where you can shoot standing, kneeling and prone and not change your hand with each position. Learn about where to index your firing hand and then position your head/eye in the same spot for each position.
Once you learn to shoot, now figure out where to put your light so your day grip and night grip are one in the same. This will keep your system simple.
Do you have a reference for that? I’d be interested to read it.
If you ask me, the only time I think one is appropriate is on an sbr so you have a reference point. I’d still rather not have one.
Bipod + VFG (on same weapon) = Mall Ninja:)
no, iam not talking about bipod inside vertical grip.
right now i do not have VG.
i can see it makes some what easier, natural to hold the rifle. but i dont know if i need it.
It seems that the VFG helps the mind to index the location at which the barrel is pointed, making it slightly faster to move from one close range target to the next. But that does not mean it will work for everyone. Try one out to see if you like it, and if not then do not use one.
putting bipod and Vertical grip is too much?
Two different tools for 2 different applications (close range fast target acquisition in target to target movement vs. long range prone accuracy) which calls for 2 different rifles. I would expect your rifle with a bipod to have a 4.5-15 scope or similar and your rifle with the vertical fore grip to have an Eotech or Aimpoint red dot sight.
Well I guess the question is what do you use the rifle for. Home defense, target practice or both. And weigh the pros and cons of the grip for your needs. I use a grip pod and it suites my needs of home defense and target shooting. I don’t use it all the time when I’m target shooting, but for home defense I put it back on as soon as I get done cleaning my rifle.
VFGs are good to go if one is going to use a rifle for CQB, building clearing, etc. Why would one need a bi-pod to perform these tasks? Two completely different scenarios. As a whole the military and competition crowd inspire one another, note the trend in elongated RIS/hand guards.
The evolution of the VFG has come full circle so to speak. I mean they are nothing new they’ve been on sub-guns for almost a century now. But in recent times the stubby has gained popularity and now hand stops like that from KAC and of course the AFG by Magpul Dynamics are all the rage.
But to answer the OP question…no you don’t NEED one. They are inexpensive so if you have the option to install one on your rifle get one and try it out and see if it helps improve you’re shooting. I like to have one out all the way on a carbine length rail as it aids in stock to shoulder purchase.
I’m with you on this one. For me, it is much more comfortable to hold and easier to control the rifle without a vertical grip than with one. Granted, I have only ever tried the stock KAC one and not the myriad other styles offered so I can’t say if I’ll ever like one enough to have one on permanently or not.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=44466&highlight=vertical+grip
The thread has some input from me, and a good link from USMC03 on the matter.
I do not particularly like VFG’s. I prefer to keep my gun as uncluttered as possible and maintain flexibility in hand positioning.
My go-to gun uses standard handguards.
It’s funny this thread popped up, as I was thinking about this very thing at the range yesterday. Tale of two cities: M4gery with standard hand guard - SOCOM16 in a Troy MCS with a KAC vertical grip. I was drilling with both rifles over the course of 4-hours and during a break, thought that my hand placement felt better on my M4. Of course, two entirely different guns/calibers, but I thought about it enough to take the grip off the Troy and try without it. I slid a rail panel on the MCS and fired a few mags. Sure enough - felt great, shot great. The only thing I noticed, was that for slow single shots, the grip helped with accuracy, sans using a correct sling for support. Other than that, it’s still in my range bag. I’m thinking about trying a hand stop or AFG, but truthfully, I think I added the VFG out of a feeling of need that I clearly didn’t…
Wow!! my head hurts.
I have the Tango down VFG that has the space for a pressure pad (for lights or laser on/off) and I have the Magpul AFG…
I recently picked the AFG after a trip to the gun shop and hearing folks in there talk about how much they liked it, then seeing it all over the net and on youtube… I figured eh, 30 bucks, I’ll try it out…
After trying it out, I like the VFG better… To me, it feels more comfortable and like I have more control/grip…
Since, its easy enough to put on and take off you may want to see if someone you know or a shop has one you can try out on your rig for a few or atleast test hold theirs to see if you like the feel…
I’m gonna try mine one more time to see if I get any more used to it, if not, its back to the VFG…
Quick side note:
What type of riser are you using for that EOTech? I would prefer having the standard handguards on my 6920 due to weight reasons but the front of my 512 doesn’t clear the top of the handguards. How do you like the lower 1/3 co-witness it creates?
If you want you can PM me to avoid derailing this thread.
Personal preference. I like using a short VFG (I currently use the FUG) because it takes the pressure off my support hand’s wrist which I broke as a young teenager.
they dont work for everyone, gotta mess around and find out what is best ergonomically and performance wise. I used to hold the magwell but doesnt work as well with some of the more front heavy setups (works fine on my lightweight setup). I started using a Magpul AFG and its growing on me, but it might not work for others.