Any dealers of this forum boycotting sales to AWB states

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I am an LE Dealer or Distributor for many things so I come in contact a lot with Dept’s, individual officers, Mil, etc.

Here’s why I ask; The proposal asks for small business people who I doubt have a lot of interaction with government agencies to boycott them. In order to be effective, we need Glock, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, KAC, HK etc to participate in a ban. Not just to stop providing those agencies with guns, but also parts. Then you ask distributors or small businesses like G&R to do the same once the it starts to trickle down.

Now is this feasible? We already know that HK doesn’t give care about private citizens. They’re business model has always been large government contracts. So they will probably not participate. I don’t know the percentages of business with LEAs vs private citizens is for those other companies. My guess would be their reaction would be based on that. Can a company like G&R afford to do this? They still have families to feed and employees they’re responsible for. But in order to be effective, it has to happen industry wide and those companies that do a great deal of government business have to be pressured from inside the industry. Otherwise it’s largely symbolic and while I appreciate the companies doing it, I’m not sure how much pressure it applies until the above mentioned join in.

Understand I’m saying a boycott of government agencies only, not citizens in those states because as stated earlier restricting citizens is what anti 2As want.

Also how far do you take this? Do you endanger the life of individual LEOs/investigators that really have nothing to do with the political bullshit and are just trying to do their jobs or…? And counting on the state governments to give in before this happens is an interesting gamble. If there’s a federal ban, does a company like Larue or Colt also stop supplying weapons and parts to the military?

It’s not a simple thing. If the New York incident hasn’t taught us anything else, it has taught us that politicians love to grandstand. In fact, it seems more important to them than anything else. Colorado is in the midst of proving this by forcing Magpul to take their jobs elsewhere. It’s sad, but it seems to be true.

The problem that a dealer (like myself) can run into is that we are SUPPOSED (per our contract) to help LE/Mil with guns, repair, parts, mags, etc. So it is kind of hard for an LE/Mil dealer/Distr. to tell the company that we aren’t going to sell to State XYZ any more.

Make sense?

Now if S&W (as an example) came out and said that I don’t have to do business with LE/Mil in State XYZ, that would make things much easier.

C4

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I’d say HK is a good bit more civie friendly than they were in the 90’s. No company’s perfect, and they’ll most likely never be like BCM or G&R, but they have come a long way. Companies like them, it is Government (ours & theirs) that control their product. I know there is the whole MR556 vs HK416 differences issue, but trust me, the cost of any change what so ever to modify an existing product to suit import regulations is very expensive, but they make those expendatures to bring the MR556 to market. I’d like to see the sales numbers on civie vs agency pistol purchases, I’d be willing to bet they are fairly close in the US with pistols. They have been nothing but helpful & nice to me every time in the past few years I have called for service or parts.

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Yes, makes perfect sense. I was thinking about contractual obligations after I hit the reply button. And that supports what I said earlier about S&W, Sig etc needing to commit first. As I think this out a little better, I don’t think we would get to the point where individual officers/investigators would be at risk because I think they would put pressure on their administration long before it came to that. But, I’d still be concerned about people and they’re ability to make a living.

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As much as everyone hates Cheaper Than Dirt, they’re boycotting sales of ban items to LE/Gov in ban states. Just a heads up. I hate them too.

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I understand the restrictions. The point I am making is where do we drawn the line on “infringement”?

I live in AZ where almost everything is legal and we have very few firearms restrictions. So do I not do business with Cali, Hawaii, Illinois and the rest at all because of their restrictions? Or do I say well you guys only restrict xxx so I am ok with that?

Is one infringement better than another?

As Grant pointed out. What are were boycotting all products that are firearms related that come from those states, the LE and MIL, civilians that live there? Exactly what and why?

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I say go ahead and do business with them, but restrict sales to them that mimic the civilian sales restrictions in their jurisdiction. If civvies can’t have “assault weapons”, sell the agencies what their civvie counterparts are allowed. If it’s 10 round mags, sell them 10rd mags.

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Judging from the number of HK’s in cadet holsters I saw at FLETC last month, I’d say they’re a major purchaser on HK’s list.

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Nevermind…thinking of something else.

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P2000?

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Didn’t look that close. The ones that stuck out were the poor BoP guys with issued Rugers. :frowning:

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You are missing the point entirely. Please re-read what I said and then answer the question.

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Please keep in mind that your ban states customers (or potential customers) aren’t the devil you think they are. Would the same guy that voted for Fuckstain be calling you for an AR mag? Think about it. Level the playing field. Many companies, strictly out of ignorance, bans sales of anything to CA. Some allow what is legitamately legal. How about banning the sale of mags over 10 rds to LE? Banning the sale of “Assault Weapons” to LE? Make them jump through the same hoops we average Joe’s have to jump through.

When the cops start screaming, the politicians may listen. Otherwise, you’re giving the anti’s what they want.

OR if you don’t want anything to do with a ban state, then don’t have anything to do with a ban state. Period. That includes LEA,Gov, ATF, DOJ, ABC, UPS, whatever.

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I read it to the best of my ability. What does “What are were boycotting all products that are firearms related that come from those states” mean???

Do you mean “what are we boycotting…” or “why are we boycotting…”?

I say don’t boycottt anything, either to or from these states infested with the stupid. I simply say, sell to LE only that which is legal to their civvie counterparts in that state. For instance, only 7rd mags to ANYONE in NYS. Only 10rd mags to CA. No firearms or magazines of any type to Chicago, etc.

As a vendor, you already have in place those restrictions to the effected areas, simply extend that to LE agencies and officers there as well. All we’re trying to do is get these officers & agencies off the sidelines and into the game on the pro-2A side, where they should already be. :frowning:

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I am staying out of this thread. Either my skills at conveying the message are lacking or my medical marijuana is screwing up the thought process.

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Always blame autocorrect. :smiley:

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I agree the firearms industry should only sell to LE what is legal for the common-folk!

oldJonathan had a great quote that all shootist should understand:

“If our friendship depends on things like space and time, then when we finally overcome space and time, we’ve destroyed our own brotherhood! But overcome space, and all we have left is Here. Overcome time, and all we have left is Now. And in the middle of Here and Now, don’t you think that we might see each other once or twice?”

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I would rather like to see unjust laws be ignored, and whatever is legal for the LE to have, also be sold to the citizens.

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Boycotts like this only work if you apply them towards the authorities. It’s pointless to punish the citizens who are already punished, if you will.

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I think they should boycott sales to all LE both state and federal! My wife is LE and very pro gun and most of they people she work’s with are only involved now because they were not exempted under the new law. If they had been exempted we would not have some of the great voices we do speaking up here in NY.

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I like your thinking here. I’m all for hurting these evil-doers any way we can.