Any California LEO's here? Question!!

I’m a retired 20 year military vet.
Yep… first post even though I’ve been on the site for some time.

Here’s my situation.
Prior to owning a Colt LE6920MP, I lived in San Diego, CA.

My wife and I relocated to PA in 97. Recently, she has been suggesting moving back to Cali.
According to the research I’ve conducted, my M4 would be illegal in Cali yet I’ve seen similar “Cali legal” Colt M4’s that can be legally owned in the state.

What is the difference between the M4 I currently own and the “so called Cali legal” ones?
Is it the fact that my current M4 has a 30 round mag?
If not the mag… then exactly what is the difference?
Curious minds want to know!!

The ironic part of all of this is that I lived in San Diego for 20 years and it was the gang banger idiots, among other factors, that convinced us to leave.
The likeness was… watching cock roaches move from area to area.

Believe this… those “cock roaches” could care less about the legality of any firearm!!
Yet on the opposite end of the scope is a retired military veteran asking…

“Exactly what is it about my firearm that is so contrary to California law?”
Especially when said “Veteran” fully understands the Rules of Engagement?

Totally lost here so I would appreciate any and all feedback!!

Cliff

It’s ridiculous, but the only difference other than the mag lock would be the roll mark. Unless you have the 6920-ca roll marked lower, your lower will be on the prohibited list.

Head over to Calguns.net for further clarification on Cali laws.

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What does the roll mark on your Colt LE6920MP say (specifically) ??

Here, in Kalifornistan, the powers that be ban AR15-style firearms based on their roll mark. (Many of us have “off-list” lower receivers, or complete firearms, which by name, are not outright banned by CA laws)

Colt 6920’s are in fact legal to own in California (assuming you follow the stupid rules regarding installing a ‘bullet button’ and magazine capacity). If your Colt says “AR-15” on the roll mark or “6920 LEO only”, it’s a no-go. If it says “M4 Carbine” (which is what’s on the 6920CA model), it’s OK. Crazy, confusing, and outright stupid … trust me, we know.

Here are some additional resources that can help:

CA “assault weapons flow chart”: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Pics (from G&R) of a California-compliant Colt 6920 (along with a 7-page discussion on the matter): https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?92511-New-Colt-SP6920CA-is-now-out!

EDIT:

I just re-read and saw this part:

My honest advice to you and your lovely wife: don’t.

This place absolutely sucks.

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Agreed! I’ve had it with California’s parasitic, corrupt state government. We’re moving back to Texas. I’m done paying crazy taxes to feed everyone with their hands out. The only thing I get in return are awful local services and ridiculous laws.

California is an expensive place to live and the laws have gotten pretty crazy. Housing, groceries and utilities are expensive as is registering your vehicle. They also have crazy strict smog laws I grew up in Cali at a time it was a great place to grow up but the politics are not fit for man nor beast. Move to Yuma Az and go visit San Diego on the weekends

7 hour round trip to visit SD on the weekends? Yikes.

Any possibility you have a pic of this “roll mark” so I know exactly what I’m looking for?

To others… I totally agree… the taxes, auto registration, etc. are insane.
Funny someone should mention Yuma, Az because that’s an option we’ve discussed.

Here’s the flow chart. Check appendix A&B. See if your model is in there. Can you take a picture of YOUR roll mark and post it?

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.html

Here’s my lower…

Flowchart??? LOL… No disrespect intended but just glancing at that chart made my head hurt. WTF??

I’ll take some time and go through it but not today.
I’m still thinking… WTF?? Seems like they definitely want things to be “obscure”.

No disrespect to me lol, it’s just the california laws. According to your roll mark I am 99% positive that you are good to go if you install a bullet button. The flow chart is basically saying you can’t have an SBR, can’t have a detachable magazine etc.

Thanks for the quick reply but… WTF is a bullet button??

Also… what is considered to be a “detachable magazine”?
Press my mag release… it drops out… insert new one. So this is really confusing.

I’m also pretty sure my 30 rnd mag would also be “off limits”.

Not to mention the fact of going out in my back yard and shooting when I feel like it!!

Good news: You’re damn lucky. That lower is NOT banned by name, and thus, is legal to possess in California. (The retards in office banned “AR-15” and “6920”, but not “M4 Carbine” LOL!)

Bad news: Your wife still wants to move to California.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-58-ar15-bullet-button.aspx

Methods of obtaining particular styles of firearms similar to assault weapons have been achieved by design changes by gun parts manufacturers to allow a person to obtain a style of rifle used in sport shooting and competitions. One of the most common modifications is a “bullet button”, which modifies a rifle so that the magazine is not removable without the use of a tool (a bullet was defined as a tool per state law), which presses a button that a finger alone cannot press. Weapons with this feature no longer have a “detachable magazine” within the assault weapons definition, and therefore may be exempt depending on the other requirements. As certain portions of firearms (the lower receiver, or “lower” for short, which is legally considered to be the firearm) are banned by model name under California state law, multiple requirements are made to allow a rifle to comply under state law.

Source: Gun laws in California - Wikipedia

The only thing this damn bullet button does is make it inconvenient for legal law abiding citizens.
Case in point… while I lived in SD I had an opportunity to buy a full auto Uzi and “almost” did.
Once I actually looking at it and really thought about it… I decided not to buy it.

The price was not prohibitive and definitely less than what I paid for my “legal” M4.

When was this? In the early 80’s?

Thanks to all for the quick replies… and Cali education!!

I have to admit… I do love San Diego… Cali in general (aside from the cock roach gang bangers) but I’m really not sure I want to go back.
But… these winters here in PA are beyond old and seem to be getting longer and colder.

Can anyone say… cake and eat it too??
SUX

Some time around… 95 - 96