Will a 5.56 suppressor operate properly when used with a .22 Hornet? According to a few on SilencerTalk it would be fine, but I do not regularly trust just any site for that information, and you guys feel like family since I talk to people here so much…lol
If you forsee any issues, PLEASE let me know. I’m now looking at a SF 5.56 can for this build-up, but if it won’t work, I have found a few other options, not in stock anywhere online though…
Any other cans that you would recommend for a .22 Hornet, please list them as well.
I am a member there too.
To get to your question, sure it will work fine. Both bullets are the same caliber, so the supression would be ideal. Just understand the 556 can will weigh a little more.
Thanks for the reply. However, I have just been informed that this round (the Hornet) is not easily, nor effectively, suppressed. I am assuming that because the bullet itself is jumping the sound barrier that it will still be VERY audible, even when firing from a suppressed rifle.
I guess we will try another route (caliber), unless someone knows of a way to make this one work…
The 5.56 or the hornet will break the sound barrier. That means the bullet will go supersonic. You will hear the bullet crack going down range.
This on most calibers is the nature of the beast. The only calibers that won’t break the sound barrier are subsonic 22LR or 45acp. Mostly all rifle calibers are screaming down range. Most suppressed pistols are screaming down range too.
I shoot 223 Remington out of rifles and Thompson Center handguns. I don’t need hearing protection and with the bolt action rifle, I can hear the bullets impacting on the berm 100-200 yards away. Yes, I hear the bullet crack but the noise is down range and not where I’m sitting.
Another thing to consider with silencers is the type of gun your going to shoot. Longer barrels are quieter than shorter barrels. The action type also generates noise. A bolt action is quieter than an AR-15 for example.
There are lots to consider with silencers. :dance3:
Unless you want to load heavy bullets at subsonic velocities there isn’t a rifle caliber on the market that suppresses very well (compared to a suppressed subsonic round). A can will take a lot of the “bark” out of it but it will still sound something like an unsuppressed .22 LR due to the mini “sonic boom” from the bullet.
Well, what caliber could we say hypothetically would be the most “suppressor-friendly”, if you will, meaning will quieten down considerably with a can in the $1,200-1,300 range (pre-stamp)?
Looking to shoot Yotes, Groundhog, maybe whitetail, etc… how much would a 7mmRemMag or 300 UltraMag soften-up? Are there any quality suppressors made for those calibers?
Or will subsonic loads of .223 have enough velocity to kill, say, a whitetail, assuming shot-placement is good-to-excellent? If used with a SF or AAC can, wouldn’t the noise signiture be all-but gone?
I’m open to about anything right now… mainly looking for very discrete varmint control… Ideas please!
No way I would try to shoot a deer with subsonic 223 Rem. You’re talking a 55, 69, 75 gr bullet traveling 1000 ft/sec. It wouldn’t be ethical. Sure, you could take a brain shot and probably put it down, but it would be a low percentage shot.
A 55 gr .223 bullet going 1,000 fps would have less kinetic energy at the muzzle than an 40 gr 22 long rifle bullet going 1,250 fps. Would you go deer hunting with your Ruger 10/22?
For deer hunting with a suppressed weapon, you’re going to be limited to some short ranges, since you’ll want subsonic loads. That means you’ll need to make up energy with the other half of the equation: mass.
I’ve seen pretty good results with a 300-gr Hornady XTP in .44 Magnum, handloaded to about 1000 fps with a suppressed Ruger 77/44. It’s a neat little close-range covert deer-thwacker.
I didn’t think subsonic 5.56 would work very well on a deer, that’s why I asked what the best option would be… but I think I’m gonna just go with a high-quality 5.56 can and try it on a few different rifles and see what works best.
I am not a hunter but would think that a suppressed 338 specter or 300 whisper shooting 200-300 grain bullets at 1000fps would be OK and you are probably good for 200 yds.
Or even a suppressed 458 SOCOM firing 500gr bullets
Bobert,
no supersonic round will be perceived as quiet. And subsonic 5.56 isn’t exactly impressive.
If you want to hunt with your AR, and have a VERY quiet (and still very well-performing) suppressed round, as well as the option of supersonic 30-cal… check out the http://www.300aacblackout.com/
Suppressed, it is quieter than an MP5-SD, and it’s sending a 220grain bullet downrange. With supersonic ammo, it’s more powerful than an AK. And as far as convenience, all you need to switch is your barrel… bolt, BCG, upper, lower, and 30-rd mags are all the same as 5.56.
SHOT will bring a lot more info about this, but so far:
Publicly announced:
AAC - uppers, rifles, and ammunition.
Barnes Bullets - bullets
Black Hole Weaponry - barrels.
Bushmaster Firearms - uppers and rifles.
BWE Firearms - rifles, uppers, and suppressors.
CMMG - barrels.
Delta Company Arms - rifles.
DPMS
Forster - reloading dies.
Lewis Machine and Tool
Noveske - rifles and uppers.
Pacific Tool and Gauge - reamers and gauges
Raven Armament Company - ammo and uppers
Remington - ammunition.
Selph Arms LLC - barrels, uppers, re-chambering, and rifles.
Spike’s Tactical - uppers and rifles.
Umlaut Industries - 300 BLK caliber marked Rifles, Upper and Lowers. 16" and 10" Factory Title II.
Wilson Combat - rifles, hunting and self defense ammunition.
Not yet public:
Rifle Company E
Rifle Company F
Rifle Company G
Ammo Company H
Accessory Company I
Accessory Company J
Accessory Company K
I like the idea of using a bolt-action rifle… but does the subsonic .300 Whisper, or .338 for that matter, transfer enough energy to kill a deer, (I’d say no farther out than 80-100 yards) and still have enough to kill a Coyote out to around 125-150 yards?
And they suppress well? What’s the top manufacturer(s) for a .300 or .338 suppressor? I’d like to buy an AAC or KAC, something with a very high reputation. I also think that customer-care is very important… and I have heard good things about AAC’s CS dept.
Bobby,
No problem on killing deer at 100 yds and coyotes at 150 yds.
I am talking about the new standardized 300 BLK. The ‘problem’ with the Whisper is that it was essentially a wildcat and there are many variations of the case dimensions and load data, some of which are unsafe, some of which won’t cycle an AR, etc…
With subsonic rounds, it suppresses VERY well. With supersonic rounds it suppresses much like every other centerfire rifle round- reasonable sound for the shooter, but still a lot of bullet flight noise.
It’ll work with any 30-cal suppressor. We currently sell threaded 300 BLK barrels for Remington 700s and Model-7s.
I am of course biased, but AAC’s for thread-on AAC’s CYCLONE, or fast-attach 762-SD or newer 762-SDN-6 are great.
For .338, we have the TiTAN-QD which was selected as the suppressor for the Army’s new sniper rifle. But it’s expensive and frankly, overkill for 300 BLK.
The 300 AAC is a SAAMI-standardized update of a 300whisper or 300fireball. There are many many factory guns and ammo options coming out at SHOT to join the stuff already available.
Specifically there will be expanding hunting ammo available.
As far as our CS, many people have various opinions of it (and us), :), but our products speak for themselves and if you ever have any questions, concerns, problems, feel free to contact me through this site or at jason@advanced-armament.com.
At the end of the day, I think it’s a great option for what you are looking for. So consider it even if you don’t buy anything from us. It’s an open standard, no licensing fees, etc. And the acceptance/growth so far has been great, lots of good stuff from lots of great companies.
I noticed a couple of kills on that thread using subsonics… are those factory-available loads or something I’d have to come up with on my own?
And do you have any plans for a Ruger M77? I saw talk of Savages, Rem Model 7’s and 700’s, and AR platforms, but no mention of Ruger rifles. I like the looks of that round, and looks like there is plenty of knockdown power for hunting.
I wish we had a place around here to kill boars like that… my cousin in FL says they are basically considered a varmint down there.
Just remember that you’re running at less than half the velo of the average 30 cal hunting round, so your lead will need to be twice as much on a running shot. Not as much of a problem hunting deer, but lots of coyotes are shot running full-out and it would take some practice to get it right with a subsonic round at any good distance.
I think it may be the way to go. As long as it is proven plenty for lethal force (as it seems to be, if you look through that thread Jason Posted above)… I don’t see any problems using it for Deer or smaller game.
That may be my answer. Thanks all for your help and contributions!
To the origional question. I bought a Liberty Kodiak for my .22 Hornet. I wanted smaller and lighter, than a .223 can. .223 can will work fine, just more weight.
I tried my spectre on the Hornet, for a few shots. But didn’t want to risk blowing it up, since it is not warrantied for .22 Hornet,
Of course I’m still waiting on ATF approval for said Kodiak, :rolleyes:
