Developing story: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/24/at-least-7-dead-in-shootings-in-santa-barbara-area/
A lawyer for a Hollywood director says he suspects his son carried out a mass shooting near the University of California, Santa Barbara campus late Friday that left seven people dead, including the gunman, and 11 injured in what authorities say was a “premeditated mass murder.”
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Looks like parents warned LE in advance. From first link:
[i]Shifman says the director’s family called police several weeks ago after being alarmed by YouTube videos “regarding suicide and the killing of people.”
The lawyer said police conducted an investigation and interviewed the young man. Shifman said police did not find a history of guns, but did say the man had trouble making friends.
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WTF is a “history of guns”? History of violent behavior, history of mental illness, etc is what matters. Ugh. So first we have “gun violence” and now “history of guns”? Let’s hope the latter does not become the new media sound bite as the former did.
I’m seeing this in several reports-“history of guns”. What-the guy said he was going to kill others and because he didn’t have a history of owning guns he was determined to be a sane, fine, upstanding young man? And someone else had said in a news report that “it’s hard to predict when these things will happen” or something like that. For God’s sake, the guy posted that he was going to do it-what more predictions do you need?!!
The parents had gone to the police, pleading with them to do something, and showed them NUMEROUS nut-job videos he had made.
Good job police.
How do we blame the police for that? What can they legally do? You know the drill here, they can’t (legally) nor will they, arrest every angry kid who says dumb shit on the 'net. 1 in a million or so times, POS kid actually means it and does it. There’s surprisingly little the police can do until after the crime is committed, hence the known catch 22 of our legal system. We don’t have all the facts to know what, if any, legit signs they have overlooked, or didn’t. Let’s hold off on the accusations 'till we have something go on, or are media reports good enough now? Go search YT, there’s 10 zillion nut jobs on there making vids. Per usual, Free Speech is not free and also has its costs.
What should we do with this guy? I’d bet $$$ he’s a potential threat to women, worse the the kid above:
People disappear all the time never to be heard from again . . . just say’n these things happen.
The mechanism this degenerate used to kill innocent people will be the focus of the media for some time. If he took flight lessons and crashed an airplane into a college dorm, the media coverage would die down much more quickly.
I am not sure what the police could have done to stop this turd. When more information about the pre-incident investigation is released and how California law applies, we will have a better idea about what the police could have done. At least the parents took steps to try to stop this from happening, which says something about the parents.
Too bad the little shit didn’t go out in the woods and shoot himself instead of involving other people in his warped plan.
Couldn’t he have been atleast taken in for psych evaluation?
This may have been done. I don’t think the police will be able to release this type of information due to HIPPA restrictions related to medical records obtained by a subpoena, but the media may be able to dig something up.
Always be on your toes when you leave your house. Another kid like the turd who pulled off this attack could be in your area planning the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(Involuntary_psychiatric_hold)
I would think the YouTube videos would qualify him for California’s involuntary hold.
Unless something is different in California for some reason there would not be any restrictions on confirming that a police initiated detention and eval occurred. The content and findings of said eval is a different story. At any rate I haven’t read anything to suggest that such an event occurred but thats not to say he wasn’t receiving or had received some sort of treatment in the past. I haven’t seen any suggestion of either though.
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The fact that young of a kid is driving a nice size new BMW says something. Spoiled and self centered. Didn’t happen by accident. Perhaps if he was kept busy earning his own way he would be more likable and empathetic toward others.
If the parents were worried they could have taken away some of the means to do mass murder: keys, allowance, etc.
The kid is totally responsible but few if any of these young mass shooters are working two jobs, doing volunteer work, coaching kids, etc. they typically are left alone unsupervised with no chores or job and excess money to acquire weapons and other equipment.
I agree with you. We want the police and Gov to do this or that… BUT… we don’t want them infringing on our rights to be who we want to be.
We as grown adults…parents…productive members of society just have to be on our toes. Go to the extent we need to in getting people help, reporting the signs and hope for the best.
Sucks that we have to accept this way of life, but we are dealing with exactly what we as a society has created.
3 handguns with compliant mags…I doubt we will hear of any form of ban talking.
2 shot mags?
Remember, this is Kalif. we are speaking of. We must close the gate after the milk producers left town.
stabbed 3 at apartment complex, ran over some people with car, shot few others
http://www.keyt.com/news/College-town-mass-murder-leaves-7-dead/26153616
Somebody in Cali please answer - couldn’t the parents have committed him with their consent? I’ll bet they are wishing they had.
If Elliot Rodger is 22 years of age, probably not.