It’s not that anyone is doubting the limits of mankind, it’s that why all of sudden 6000 years ago we started writing things down and building impossible structures? What changed? Why can we not duplicate their methods? Why build such structures in the first place, “the path of least resistence” and all that.
It’s like suggesting aliens came here and gave us the clovis point. One could easily do an entire episode about how it suddenly appeared out of nowhere and was radically advanced technology that no simple human could have the engineering background to devise. And there is no way to conclusively PROVE aliens didn’t give it to us.
And if you ran such an episode I’m confident 30% if the population would be stunned and amazed and quote it as “proof.”
Do I really need to post the pictures of me and Dr. Hawass?
I’m not trying to pick on you but we have a pretty good idea of how the pyramids were built, when they were built, who actually built them and why. And we didn’t get any of those answers from guys at MIT or Cal Tech because they really aren’t the guys to ask about these things.
We also know why mummified remains were removed and transferred to the Valley of the Kings.
Now certainly we don’t know EVERYTHING and our answers have been revised over time as new evidence was discovered, but the ideas promoted on ridiculous shows like Ancient Aliens certainly aren’t what happened.
Picking? Nah, I don’t think you are picking on me. I’ve been ostracized most of my life for questioning the status quo. Zahi is one of countless experts to explore ancient Egypt over the centuries and he has his critics.
As with many topics, when this one comes up people get pretty dogmatic.
post the pic steyr… im curious what you really look like
and the only thing that i took away from the pyramids episode was,
when there were talking about the obelisks.
they brought in C&C machine and archeology experts.
and both agreed that the level of perfection that was mirrored on all 4 sides of the obelisk couldnt have been done by hand tools or hands for that matter., espicially using copper tools of the “time period”.
so im not saying it was aliens, but very advance technology for that time period to make 4 sides of a giant stone obelisk match down to the thousands of an inch.
I agree, having been in both the King’s and Queen’s chambers.
But what was most amazing to me was the engineering that went into designing and building the Grand Gallery. The overall length is 157 feet and inclines at 26 degrees. The walls are 28 feet high, rising vertically in 7 courses of polished limestone, each corbeled 3 inches toward the center, making the gallery narrow from 62 inches at the base to 41 inches at the top. The fit between the stones is seemingly impossibly precise.
Watching this, I was reminded of other similar feats of engineering such as the city complex on top of Machu Picchu where the stone quarry was alll the way down the near vertical mountain along the Urubamba River.
And the huge stone Moai, which were quarried from the inner core of the Rano Rarku volcano on Easter Island.
You can polish just about anything with sand. And there is a lot of sand in Egypt. (Heck we used grinding “stones” with walnut shells in them to grind steel.)
You can move anything if you can overcome static friction.
You can make straight edge with a string.
You would be surprised what can be produced with just basic “machines”. Levers, inclines, etc.
I don’t know why an “engineer” would make the comment that we can’t make something and then use a “light test” to determine gap. He brought a square but no micrometers or taper gauges… And .001" is significant? That is .0254 mm.
We used to have our gauge masters ground to a .00005 mm tolerance and we held our production parts thickness variation to .009mm and we were just cutting brake rotors…
Whether or not aliens exist or ever came to earth, it’s pretty clear that if they did they don’t give a fuck about us anymore, and if they did originally they only seem to have contributed huge landmarks and otherwise useless information, so what’s the point?
Yep. It’s referred to as an, ‘argument of incredulity’ which roughly translates to, ‘I personally do not have the imagination nor brainpower to figure out how XYZ was done. Therefore God/Aliens/Jesus/Zeus.’
In regards to the question of extraterrestrial life, I like the Clarke quote:
“Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
There’s a lot of things that leave one going “how the fu&% did they do that?” that is compelling. Problem is, that does not translate into “proof” of alien assistance per se. I’m open minded to the concept, but it does nothing but ruin any validity when tin foil types - who don’t have the expertise to really have an opinion on the issue - accept the “facts” of other tin foil hat types who also lack expertise, and so forth.
Vid someone posted claiming X rock can’t be cut with anything but a diamond saw, a simple quick look finds that stone used by all manner of civilizations, so either all of them has aliens cutting shit for them, or they figured out how to work with it.
People should question the “facts” fed to them and attempt to dig into that which truly does baffle those with the expertise, and those facts actually no longer a mystery.
Reminds of those who deny human evolution with the “there’s no between fossils” when since that dumb statement was made decades ago, a TON of fossils found, showing the known evolution of mankind and so forth, not to mention genetics ended any question there, but that’s another topic.
When “experts” were baffled by how various things took/take place, it’s best to actually go see if X is still a mystery. It may not be and may be old news in the community, sort of like “aerobics burns fat” to a physiologist but the fitness types (read lack modern understanding of exercise phys) refuse to let go of the concept.
My mentioning Dr. Hawass wasn’t to suggest that he is somehow unimpeachable and without error, it was simply to give an indication of how much I actually do study this subject. Suffice to say, enough to pay to attend lectures by recognized experts.
I too try to avoid dogmatic acceptance of things, I’ve seen history correct itself far too many times to think there was the Gospel of Howard Carter and that is all we really need to know.
But at the same time just because Robert M. Schoch has made an interesting observation about water erosion on the Sphinx, I don’t think that necessarily rewrites the entire history of the monument. Although like many people I think it probably was recarved from a previously existing monument.
There have been a lot of really interesting alternative theories over the ages, and some like “Atlantis: The Antediluvian World” seemed to really answer everything at the time. Of course we know now that it was nothing more than speculation.
That ancient aliens show is somewhat amusing to watch sometimes. Some episodes are dumber than others though.
According to them, basically anything that is unexplained and mysterious is because of the aliens.
Even if there is a government cover-up or something, these shows basically serve to undermine any sort of credibility for people wanting to expose the truth. Some bogus crap on there.
I also don’t think knowing the truth is really a benefit. Some say that society would collapse if we do not see ourselves in control. Religion for one, would be toast.
Anybody remember that wiki-leaks was suppose to come out with something about UFO’s in its next batch?
I can’t help thinking in the back of my mind, that some group of people wanted to crush all his credibility and shut him up with some dirt.