America's "Come to Jesus" Moment in Iraq

As most are undoubtedly aware, recent events in Iraq have rekindled the controversy over what role, if any, the United States should have in resolving what is, arguably, a sectarian civil war in Iraq. The widening conflict in Iraq and its virtually nonexistent border with Syria and its civil war all have the potential for disastrous consequences throughout the Middle East and beyond.

Watching the recent talk-show parade of past and present administration officials, think tank policy wonks, and political leaders is, at best, disillusioning and, at worst, horrifying. I don’t wish to initiate a pissing match or blame game so perhaps we can all just stipulate that “mistakes were made” by the previous administration and the feckless foreign policy of the current administration has insured that mistakes continue to be made. We are where we are, regardless of the whys and hows, so, to quote Hillary, “What difference does it make?” The question at hand is what do we do NOW.

It seems apparent that our previous efforts at limited military occupation coupled with counter-insurgency efforts and nation-building/democratization have been an abject failure. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. And as tempting as it might be to adopt an isolationist position and simply wash our hands of the whole fetid affair, the reality is the United States cannot allow fundamentalist Muslim extremists to secure a de facto independent state in the Middle East from which to stage operations dedicated to the destruction of the West, with the United States as ground zero.

And any real discussion of America’s possible responses to the current crisis require some deeper soul-searching with respect to what this country’s role should be in the more expansive current geopolitical environment. While certainly subject to debate, my assessment is that the neo-con vision of the United States sowing the seeds of democracy either at the muzzle of a gun or with a bucket of money have largely proven ineffective (see horse-water metaphor above). The cultural/religious/economic/demographic disparities throughout the world simply preclude the notion of a single political and economic system being universally embraced by all.

So what is America to do? Assuming most Americans are unwilling to acquiesce to a world-wide leveling off the economic playing field and the resulting precipitous drop in our standard of living as the rest of the world achieves equilibrium, how does the United States maintain its admittedly privileged status? Are we reaching the previously referenced “come to Jesus” moment when we, as a nation, must acknowledge the necessity of American hegemony in the world to preserve our existence? And are we willing to accept the consequences of that role?

If the country makes the decision that our survival necessarily requires the imposition of a global “Pax Americana,” are we prepared to dispense with the illusion of the United States always being the good guy and accept the consequences of being THE global superpower? For instance, let’s revisit Iraq. We’re not going to send the troops necessary to occupy Iraq and Syria; the American public simply won’t accept what would undoubtedly be an even greater sacrifice of blood and treasure than we have already endured. But it’s obvious the current situation cannot continue to deteriorate and inevitably spread. Are we prepared to shit can the notion of free elections and install a political leader who is going to toe the line while concurrently using our military might to crush opposition forces “with extreme prejudice” and heavy collateral damage?

And when fundamentalist Muslim terrorism groups predictably capitalize on our unilateral actions to recruit followers and take retaliatory actions against the United States and our interests, are we willing to forgo any semblance of proportional response and establish a policy of turning large swaths of the Middle East into glass when jihadists strike at us?

I’m thoroughly confused. I don’t see a clear way forward without the United States taking a real “gut check” and deciding what our role in the world is going to be. We cannot be a world leader and everybody’s best friend at the same time. The roles are incompatible. It seems increasingly clear that trying to be everybody’s best friend is a losing proposition. And being an effective world leader is going to require a rather significant and, for many, unpalatable rebranding of the American image.

I’m thoroughly confused as well and am having a hard time making my mind up on what I feel would be best for America to do. I lean more towards doing what we have to do to preserve the USA that we know and love and say piss on trying to be every bodies best friend.

Agreed. This is Obama’s, and the US’s, pivotal moment, the point at which we decide “enough is enough” or “to hell with it, let’s rumble.” Are we willing to pay $10/gallon for gas, tell them all to piss off, and get the hell out for good? I doubt it. I think we try to take the middle, again, and end up falling flat, again.

How about we tap into the massive oil deposits we have in USA territory, like in…Alaska, and tell the Middle East where it can get off.

How about this country does what’s in the best interest for ITSELF and for the most part leave everyone else the fukk alone. We have plenty of oil that can’t be touched due to government regulations…

Without drifting too far afield, regardless of where the United States acquires its oil, the world still needs the critical supplies of crude oil and natural gas located in the Persian Gulf. And the world market is what sets the price of crude oil.

To insulate the United States energy market from the broader world market and the inevitable price escalations associated with Middle Eastern turmoil would necessitate nationalizing North American energy resources, an option likely to gain little or no traction.

Call me tin foil, but the USA will do what is in the bankers interests first and formost. That means if we roll in there again we will do exactly what we did in 91 and over the past decade. Insure that the only stable economies around belong to the Saudi’s and their BFF’s so they and only they can reap the benefits of the oil “trade”.

IMO if we go in we should go in like the Romans and once we are done killing the enemy we replenish the treasury with the spoils of war. Not going to happen though cause it’s not in the script.

I think Obama is on the side of ISIS because he is a Sunni sympathizer and secretly a Muslim himself.

He responded to the crisis by calling on Malaki to be more tolerant and invite more Sunnis to participate in the Iraqi government.

The man is entitled to worship whatever God he wants, but if his loyalties endanger the interests of the US, then I object.

We’re going to be bankrupt if we keep policing the World. This is a good time to step away. If you’re not our ally you’re on your own.

This has nothing to do with oil. Everybody points to oil, yet they cant seem to figure out that its only gone UP since 2001.

Personally, I say to hell with them. I couldn’t care less. They aren’t worth a penny, let alone trillions and thousands of lives.

Right, it’s not about oil, it’s about the petrodollar. There’s plenty of threads on that with plenty of sources as to who was selling oil for what items other than our currency.

Anybody want to bet on whether or not this gets so bad that we are seriously considering a ground invasion with thousands of troops within a year?

You gotta read into Malaki’s recent actions to see why he lost any sembelance of Sunni cooperation…

This.

If Malaki had been willing to allow Sunnis to play the game on a level playing field with “his” Shi’ites - if he had been willing to play the game with the US, by our rules - he wouldn’t be in the pickle he’s in.

Obama’s rhetoric would be consistent with, say, a call to apartheid South Africa to be more tolerant of black South Africans while simultaneously condemning black terrorists in South Africa.

Hell, at the rate things are falling apart over there, I’m thinking next month…

Yeah, this is Malawi ’ s demons coming to haunt him.

As for the US. We need to pull back from the Mid-East, try to unload the debt we are under, get America back to work, Killer the I come tax and the reset of the bloated tax code, and shift entitlement spending back to defense and kill coast plus contracts. In simple terms, pre 2nd term Bush years with a Reagan model and hopefully no war intervention. This will get us built up for what I see as the coming full Mid-East regional war. At some point, like WWII, we will have to get seriously involved to almost a scorched Earth policy.

We are far away, but our European allies are not. They will, and frankly need, take the brunt of this, and hopefully turn that region around. What the Mid-East needs is a global wide and supported imperialist take over to get that region out of the 9th Century. This region is like the troubled bratty brother that has not grown up and siblings need to smack.him around so mom and dad stops punishing everyone. It’s a sad solution that even goes backwards in modern times and free thinking, but the fundamentalist are slowly taking control and changing the future and dialog of that region.

The British came close, but the 14,000+ more men they needed to sacrifice was too hard to stomach, especially after WWI. Over 100 years later we are the clean up crew.

What scares me is that we have sacrificed so much money between the wars, stimulus, and entitlements that we may never pull this off.

I’d take that bet…there is NO political will at the moment to do so. Unless there is another seminal terrorist attack here - THAT might do it…Then again, Obama needs another ‘distraction’…

There’s not much oil in the Sunni parts of Iraq; there’s not much of anything…all the oil (and revenue) was in the Shite areas…Al Malaki stopped sharing the oil revenue, and ran all the Sunni moderates out of his government in favor of Shite cronies (of course, corruption is rampant with them all)…That disaffected a lot of Sunni…so here we go again…We keep trying to understand them in order to ‘help’ them find balance…and we just can’t understand that mindset they might as well be on another planet.

I hear a guy call into a talk show yesterday who spent a lot of time there say that the insurgents have had a free hand so far…but when the get to Bagdad it’s gonna get a lot harder…cause there the Shia and the Iraqi Army WILL fight (backed, supported and even crossleveled with Iranians)…and the insurgents lines of supply have GOT to be getting stretched…this thing could implode on them, and they we’ll have Shia killing Sunni all over Iraq as they exact revenge - again…

I don’t back either of them…the Kurds would be a much better choice to support, they won’t put up with this shit, and the Peshmerga can kick BOTH their asses…

Up until the end of the First World War, the region was ruled by a country that wanted to drag its population - by any means necessary - into the 20th Century. But then they backed the wrong horse and Western Europe decided to break them up.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don’t mind the idea of the US and NATO supporting the Kurds. If the Saudis want to support moderate Sunnis - or even al-Qaeda affiliates like ISIS - let them. Iran can support the Shi’ites. If the Saudis were interested in just supporting the moderate Sunnis, I’d argue for a three-way smash on ISIS from Saudi-backed Sunnis, Iranian-backed Shi’ites, and NATO-backed Kurds. Get the moderate Sunnis in Syria to come to the table with al-Assad and Syria and Iraqi Kurdistan can be the anvils against which the Sunni and Shi’ite-hammer strikes ISIS.

But that’s not going to happen, so…

I am in agreement with letting the Kurds loose on them. I very much enjoyed working with the Peshmerga on my last deployment and I had a lot of respect for them. They were fighters for sure.

Absolutely minimize our dealings with Arab countries (i.e., rely on our own resources–screw the environmental extremists) and occasionally drop the hammer on mortal enemies as needed. For once, play to our strengths and exploit their weaknesses. Truth is, we will probably have to lose a couple of cities before we summon up the spine to do that.