Hey, I’m not sure if this is the correct area but if not mods please move to correct section.
I'm looking at putting a Viper PST 1x4 on a new 16 inch upper I'm building. I haven't ever used their mount so I'm curious which recon mount would fit me best. I typically run my stock out 2 clicks from flush with the receiver, shoulders square to target.
I guess what I should be asking is when one would use the Recon X vs the normal Recon?
Thanks
Honestly using 2 clicks I think the standard AD-RECON without the extended eye relief will work fine.
I use an IOR Valdata 1.5-8x with a list 3.5 inches of eye relief in an AD-RECON at 2-3 clocks out and I honestly wouldn’t want the scope any further out. Obviously if you get the X model and it’s too far, you can move the scope base back toward the rear of the upper receiver, of that is an issue.
I guess the Recon-X would be useful for someone who operates nose to charging handle, right up on the rear of the upper, or with a scope with longer eye relief. From their website the X gives an extra 1.40 inches from the rear of the base to the rear ring.
I run the same set up (16" BCM, 1-4x PST, ADM Recon Mount) and it is perfect for me with my stock in position 4 of 6. A Recon-X might give you additional options if you choose to go with a larger scope down the road, but I think it works great with the 1-4x.
the recon-x puts the scope way out there, so the standard cantilever is probably better because it still allows for a better range of eye relief.
The Recon-X was designed around the old Trijicon TR-21, which had huge eye relief requirements. That scope was replaced in the Trijicon lineup by the TR24 which has normal eye relief, and then the market for low power variables exploded. IMO, there is very little need for the Recon-X anymore.
With my TR-24, I ran a Recon-H for a couple years, which mimics the lower 1/3 cowitness common among RDS enthusiasts, and it worked well in close to mid range shooting at speed. As I started doing more “precision” oriented shooting, the “chin weld” required for the more heads up height of the Recon-H became uncomfortable on my neck. The TR-24 then got remounted in a standard Scout mount with only one clamp. That one works great.
Now that rifle has a Vortex PST 2.5-10x32 in a standard recon mount, and it works great for my uses. Between the Recon, the Scout, and another EOtech riser sitting on a second AR, all the bases are pretty much covered.
That brings me back to your question, it depends on your uses. If you want to do more “run and gun,” I would actually go with the Recon-H in order to get the more “heads up” posture. If you want to keep it a bit more traditional, I think you would be fine with the standard Recon or the Scout (two clamps vs single clamp).
Moved to the “Optics and Mounts” subforum, since this has mount in the thread title.
Thanks guys. This would be for a 1x4-24 vortex scope. I typically use nose to charging handle or pretty darn close to it.
This one: http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/5/
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i run str two clicks out. vortex pst. standard recon. perfect eye relief.
I run the Vortex PST 1-4x24 in the ADM Recon mount. I usually run the 2nd or 3rd position and like the set up so far.
Just eyed this thread. OP this is spot on advice if you are considering the H model. I’ve been using one for about 6 months now and have put a TR-24G on it and now a VX-6 multigun. The primary use for the rifle is shorter distances with better capability than an RDS out to medium distances.
The Recon H shines in keeping a more upright stance and not having to crane your neck which is faster to me and going from an Aimpoint equipped gun to the gun w/the H is easier. That higher offset also makes it easier to find your sight picture while shooting from awkward positions. It actually is a little higher than a lower 1/3 cowitnessed RDS. Yet the problem comes in when in the prone and having to keep your chin incrementally off the stock to get a sight picture. While sighting in with it I actually take my earpro case and place it b/t the stock and my cheek to keep tension off my neck. If I did more longer range shooting I would go another route.
Its a trade off that I accept w/what I want from the rifle.
-Jax
ETA: Not the best pic but a good illustration as to where the stock is in relation to the cheek with the Recon H:
So, I am sure this mount would help clear a FSB, correct?
Also, does anyone know if the FSB would obstruct the view of a Razor HD II, with the standard Recon mount?
Sorry if I should have made a new thread instead.
ADM Recon-H with a TR-24G mounted:
-Jax
Wow, GREAT picture Jax, thanks!
I am just worried about shooting with it in prone, and since I will do a lot of longer range shooting with it.
The biggest question I have is if the standard Recon mount will put the red dot in the reticle right in the post or the middle of the post like an absolute cowitness.
I know at past 1x you cannot see the front sight, though.
Also, I have the VX-R Patrol, I have used it on the carbine with the FSB, and it was no problem, however, I think that is because it is actually around 1.5x and not true 1x like the Razor HD II.
I was actually able to go to the main Vortex ‘store front’ today to look at it, and all their other optics. I had no idea they were 10 minutes away from me!
Zane if this rifle is to be a bipod rifle mainly then the Recon-H may be not for you. You see it gives a fantastic heads up ‘on the move’ shooting position. It replicates a lower 1/3rd cowitnessed RDS quite well albeit just slightly higher. Yet I have noticed if I do any extended shooting with it in the prone (say sighting in) I have to place some kind of spacer between the stock and my cheek to keep my neck from fatiguing. In my ‘real world’ this kind of shooting is very rare so the trade off is WELL worth it.
-Jax
It will be on my main carbine, no bipod. I think the range I will shoot out past two hundred yards will be on the bench anyway. I am planning on, however, shooting out to 400 yards. For my ‘SHTF’ situation this scope will mostly be used for longer range identification, and shooting out to 600 yards.
I will also use this AR for HD.
I plan on doing a lot of shooting with it, as I am switching over to only variables.
I have the normal recon mount with my VX-R on my other AR, so I could switch out the mount if I do not like the H. I, however, may just go with the Recon since I have experience with it, and will train with it.
I am just worried about the sight picture being obscured with a true 1x. With the 1.5x of the VX-R its not a problem.
Skip the adm toy and get a bobro
I just ordered the H mount thank to this thread. Good info here