AMD-65 vs Kino

Both have a 12.5" barrel. Both fairly lighter weight. I prefer the ergonomics and point shoot effectiveness of the AR platform.

I think a red dot type sight is a must, and haven’t found a solution I like with the AK platform. I lean toward the micro-dot and the docter/trijjon 1oz reflex types to keep weight down.

This 12.5" barrel length is a good compromise for in home defense and range work. I am old enough to admit I will never engage in a gun fight over 100m, if Sh** get’s that bad I’m taking cover. So I am very drawn to the 12.5" barrel rifle carbine as it potentially is a better go to HD weapon than a shotgun or full sized pistol, especially if you have arthritis/hand shaking. Quick shot placement is what it boils down to and you just can’t beat a small carbine.

They are giving away AMD-65’s straight from Hungary for $400 also the 12.5 BCM (non Kino’d) upper is $400. Leaving plenty budget for the stamp. Unfortunately a 12.5" pencil AR upper is no where to be found and building one would run near $700 since the price for the barrel assembly is $350. You are forced into an 11.5" upper if you want the LW profile.

Ammo, I think for self defense out of the shorter barrel the WC HP 7.62x39 at 25 cents per round beats anything under $1 per round in 5.56?

But can you really make quick accurate point shoot trype shot placement with a red-dot optic on an AMD-65, if so what mount? I’ve seen the ultimak, but don’t like the idea of cooking a $500 optic. What about these new Ak FS leaf type mounts? The dog leg weaver rail mounts are too heavy I think and too close to the eye On the other hand the AR platform ammo just seems optimized for longer barrels, especially the stuff available to non-LEO. Having trouble deciding which way to go with this.

Opinions?

Where???

Are you sure it’s not airsoft?

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/AEG_AEP_LCT_LCT_AMD_65_Version_C.htm

Get the AMD spec Ultimak - you will not fry your Aimpoint Micro.

Center Fire Systems: http://centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN-AMD-2.aspx

I love my AMD-65. It handles the best out of any AK I’ve fondled. It is lighter than the more “normal” versions of the AK/AKM. For SD/HD that brake has got to go. It kills recoil and muzzle rise but OMFG is it loud and it enhances the muzzle flash. As if that even seemed possible. Actually the shorter barrel of the AMD enhances accurracy-not as whippy. 7.62 rounds out of that 12.5" tube are still doing ~2100fps or so.

BTW-WTF is a Kino???

double tap

Damn wish I would’ve seen this yesterday before I bought a new glock. Day late and a buck short is my lifes motto.

Go with the Kino.

The M4 systems has a lot more advantages than the AK system, IMHO.

Weight, accuracy, modularity, ergonomics, suppressor options, lethality (IMHO), etc.

There are bullets that work well from shorter barrels in 5.56mm.

Winchester’s new 64 gr. bonded round comes to mind.

Mk. 262 works very well, and I want to try out Mk. 262 Mod. 01.

Correct me if Im wrong but the kino is essentially a 12.5 barrel dissapator using a carbine length gas system under a mid length hanguard and fsb.

Yep. Low pro gas block.

WOW… that’s a smokin’ deal!

Yeah, that brake is begging to come off.

That gun has a barrel over 16" before the 2" AMD brake is installed… making it longer than any other AK. I guess they couldn’t find anymore of the stubby extensions or extended AMD style brakes.

My AMD is a great rifle, and very accurate. You certainly wouldn’t be disappointed with the FEG product.
(Now I wish they would bring in AMD-63’s at that price!)

Daniel Defense makes 12.5" CHF LW uppers

I think it is a ~14" barrel and a 2" brake for a total of 16"

Top image is a ~12" barrel + 2" extension + 2" muzzle brake.

Hmmm… it looks like you’re correct.

It just looks a heck of a lot longer than what every other Non-SBR’d AMD-65 wears:

http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30042

ak mini dot mount.
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=421

is the extension and break easy to remove if i want to sbr this? pinned and welded? silver soldered? etc…
also, does CenterFire build their own aks? i have ahad a couple horrible century builds and one was an amd65. makes me shy away from the ak even though i really do respect it.

I don’t think CFS builds the amd. I’ve handled/shot three of the bulgarian aks from them and own one. They’ve all be good shooters and well worth the price. They were built by TGI out of Tenessee and sold through CFS.

Ultimak makes a tube specifically for the AMD as well: http://ultimak.com/m7.htm

Shouldn’t be very hard with 20min, some patience and a dremel. I think it would take me longer to fill out the BATFE form for the SBR than for me to remove my extension.