ACA was not just the Administration - that was the Administration and both houses of Congress. Very different from an Executive Order. My guess is that even if Obama issued such an Order, a stay would come very swiftly as the Federal Judiciary reviewed legality.
What is the difference with EO after Fast & Furious when the multiple long gun form was pulled from the air??
I sorta get what you are saying when he can’t make certain weapons into NFA items overnight, but how did he pull off the multiple long gun form for border states??
Was there nothing (previous law) in place to make it stick and how is it different from the NFA EO?? This admin sems to have the ability to pull the strings anywhere they please.
I hope you guys are right on this one.
I don’t think he can executive order an AWB or even what MR. Vickers heard.
Obama and his ilk have two pet issues that they think they have a chance on: mags, and “gun show loopholes” (great phrase, best misnomer EVER).
Honestly, I think we will see him banning large capacity mags via executive order.
I don’t see how he can’t do this, or how we can stop it.
Re, private sales:
Making all transfers through a FFL is something only congress can do.
Given the particulars of this tragedy (e.g. no gun law would have stopped it) I think they have an uphill battle in the public.
The root cause here is untouchable and a liberal sweetheart - ALL blame goes to the rabid liberals who stripped mental health authority from the government in the 70’s and made it a “poo poo it’ll be ok” issue , not a “we need to institutionalize this person before he kills 30 people” issue.
well i have a 14.5 pinned extended Barrel if he pulls this I guess Now would be the time to SBR my rifle .please let us know what you hear Mr Vickers .
Also has the industry had a sit down with other companies ?I believe if Colt ,BCM ,ETC came together on this it could shake things up a bit
+1.
In the 1930s when the electric guitar pick-up was invented and sold by the Rickenbacker Company, many other guitar companies started to make their own, patent be damned. Rickenbacker decided not to do a thing about it, because of legal fees and such, but also the competition was giving him more business. There was a company that had made the plans and blueprints “so they say” that they created the electric pick-up, just never produced it, so they started strong arming guitar companies–Kay, Gretsch, Epiphone–into lawsuits for royalties. Thing was, a big portion of these guitar companies–competitors of each other–teamed up and fought agianst these lawsuits, and for the most part, won.
If our gun manufactures truly care about their customers, they need to ban together, not just collectively send money to the NRA-ILA, but speak, tell the public what will happen if any of this goes into effect. I’m sure Magpul will be greatly affected. And so will the countless law enforcement and military personnel who use these products.
Mr Vickers Could You try and contact the Big Companies and professional Shooters ? and start a Line of communication .
If they know what’s good for long term business, they won’t sit idly by. They know where most of their revenue comes from.
I don’t see how he can ban high capacity magazines. An executive order must stem from authority granted in existing legislation or the Constitution. I know of no law that grants him the authority to ban magazines any more than the bagel that I’m currently eating. In other words, what portion of Title 18 would be used to charge you if you disobeyed such a ban?
Guys, we need to spend our energy directed at more productive endeavors. There are no less than 3 threads in GD dedicated to anticipating what might happen. This is part of the left’s tactics to get us running around guessing what might happen. In the meantime, we start to look like callous pricks to the non-shooting community that normally is sympathetic to our cause. Ignore this shit and focus on these simple principles to prevent future tragedies:
- Stable families with traditional values and standards of behavior that are free of substances.
- Get kids off the computer, away from the TV, and doing activities that require meaningful social relationships that don’t involve senseless violence.
- Secure our schools in a real way which involves trained armed security or police.
- Promote responsible gun ownership. Spread the word to all of your friends about classes taught by guys like Larry. Let them know that the cost of a gun must include responsible training and a means of securing it.
We will recruit far more support from the non-shooting community if we use the left’s tactic of simple talking points, rather than playing regulatory whack-a-mole.
Now, it’s time for me to put down this damn iPhone and spend some time with my kid so that he does not become the next Michael Meyers. 
I’m not an industry insider, but I have been afraid for months that adding semi-autos to the NFA registry might be something Barry would have the guts to try.
I’ve also heard from a couple of sources (both FFL’s) that the current requirement of reporting multiple long gun sales in the border states is a “done deal” to make it apply to all 50 states.
Larry, keep us updated!
These are scary times indeed.
I would think such action would trigger a secession event.
Virginia was ready to bail out over healthcare not too long ago. Everyone knew they were just bluffing, but this, compounded, makes the situation much more serious.
Well find out at 11:45 EST. Supposedly O’dumbo is making a speech about gun control.
If they do to this route I guess I’ll have no more excuses for not setting up my trust and going full Monty for an SBR and suppressor.
As far as the industry pulling together and standing up for the 2nd amendment. I wouldn’t hold my breath. They didn’t do it in 94, they didn’t do it in 86, or 68 or 34 and they wont do it today. They are not in the business of protecting the constitution, but rather the share holder. Allot means is that they will all do their best to suck the to government c*** in the hopes of getting some contracts, be those mil or LEO as, sure, there will be an exemption for government weapons. Some of the smaller companies like Magpul or LaRue that aren’t intimately tied to government purchases may choose to make a statement like Barrett did to CA, but the likes of Colt, Ruger, S&W, Glock won’t do shit. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.
What would be great is if the NRA would compile a list of the number of jobs that will possibly be lost, familys devastated, and companies/tax payers shutdown from any such legislation. Regardless of what is said, moving these rifles to NFA will seriously take a chunk out of the gun community. Like we as a country can afford any further loss of industry.
While this is true, I can imagine a scenario where we have an EO issued and it ends up tied up in a legal cluster fuck for years before the possibility of being overturned. They will win the war on guns through attrition and voters will lose interest, while the 2A is gutted.
That because the 68 GCA allows weapons with a bore diameter of over .50cal to be declared a destructive device. A 12 guage shotgun has a larger than half-inch bore diameter.
Speech coming on CNN shortly 11:45am est… On Fox right now.
Its announced
Obama can ban (make NFA) every single gun with a bore over .500 RIGHT NOW if he wants. He has not done it.
What was announced…at work and can’t watch TV
“all the powers of this office” means Executive Order.
It’s coming in February after Biden delivers his recommendation.
Commission led by Biden to make recommendations.