I’ve been searching and reading here for hours but I still have some questions I need to ask.
The low battery mount…I prefer the looks of it and it seems it would be less likely to possibly snag on stuff…what are your preferences on this and why?
I am also torn between optic types…I want the rifle to be mainly a CQB type, for use in home defense, but I also would like to be able to make hits out to at least 300 meters (yards?)…I know the Comp M4 can do that if I can…but how practical is it? I am aware of the 3x magnifier and will get it if I get the Comp M4.
I originally wanted an Eotech type reflex sight, but after reading on the durability of the Aimpoint I’ve decided to got that route.
Also…any good info on the Aimpoint PRO model would be appreciated…I can afford the Comp M4, but if the PRO will do the same job I may go that route.
No experience with the PRO. But I have a compm4s. Don’t worry about the low position of the battery. When you get the sight, turn it on and put it away. Change the battery once a year for fun–I do it on jan. 1. Continue leaving scope on and go thru the same process from year to year. In other words, never turn it off.
What kind of hits on what kind of targets at 300 are you talking about?
Center mass hits on a full silhouette? Sure, it’ll be fine sans magnifier. Need to be able to identify the target? Magnifier will be a benefit. Magnification doesn’t really help you shoot better, it helps you see better.
I own an M4S and micros. The micros with the 2MOA dot will do everything the M4S will and for less money…
I have had both and unless you are set on the AA battery of the M4S I don’t see why you wouldn’t buy the Pro for nearly half the cost. It will do almost everything the M4S will, just with a shorter battery life.
I have no experience with these optics, but for some reason I just don’t think I like the micros…I realize they’re lighter, but I’m hoping the optic will shift some weight to the rear…the rifle is piston driven…and I’m not sure 3-4 oz. is enough to do that.
Edit: And I do prefer the AA battery…easier to find in a pinch.
The 4 gives you more intensity settings over the PRO. For distance shooting you will want the dot visible but without flare. In some conditions I want to tighten up the dot and the next position down the dot goes away. This is the only thing that makes the 4 more desirable than the PRO in my opinion. 100 yards is long range to me… I bought the PRO.
Completely agree. So far my ratio is 3 T-1 (2 moa) to 1 CompM4s. I only see the disparity increasing in favor of the micros. However, for some unknown reason some guys (seems to be a very small minority) can use the compm4 but not the micros. It’s either an eye thing or a shooter thing?
I’m sure you will be fine going with the compm4s, PRO or micro. In getting the RDS make sure you get a mount that lines up well with the aimpoint 3x assuming you decide to go that way.
OK…Its gonna be the M4s (I’ll cry about the $$$ some other time)…tell me more about these mounts that line up with the 3x magnifier.
The rifle is a Gen 1 Sig 516 with a free float quad rail, and I will be adding flip up sights.
I’m not sure if/how all that will fit with the magnifier…the magnifier is not a “must have”, so if there are any drawbacks to this setup tell me…such as height of the mounts and co-witness issues…preferably absolute co-witness…to keep things as low as possible…the BUIS will stay flipped down.
I think I might go with the M4 (no S)…The way the S interferes with the magnifier mount kinda sucks…I really like the uncluttered look of the S model, though.
Decisions, decisions…
And I answered my own question about if/how all that would fit on the rail…
Can the magnifier mount be flipped around and mounted the other way…so the magnifier can be snugged up against the RDS?
I had a compm4s in combination with an aimpoint 3x. Both in larue mounts–the one that flips to the side for the 3x. I still have the m4s and larue mount but sold the 3x and mount. I would go with the larue mounts (or adm), although I’m not a huge fan of larue mounts. iIRC, Both make mounts for the m4s and 3x.
There was some crowding but the only issue was that I couldn’t close the lens cover on the rear of the m4s. Ultimately, I just took the lens covers off. They weren’t needed.
I’ve read everything I could find on this…but I’m still a little confused.
I wear glasses (nearsighted with astigmatism)…and I’m 40 (some age related issues focusing on things close up)…my glasses are not bi-focals.
Will this be an issue with the Aimpoint?
I have used red dots in the past…on a crossbow…and don’t recall it being a problem. Also, the Sig has a red dot on it now, it came with it, the original Sig red dot (4moa). I have noticed the dot is a little “bloomy”, but not too bad…I figured it was the low budget optic.
I also have trouble focusing on a plain reticle if the scope doesn’t have about 4" of eye relief…getting old sucks…there was a time when I could shoot with the best of them. :mad:
I have the comp M4s on a 14.5" M4 that get run hard all around. I love it. I was shooting beside our sniper team and piggy backing on their targets out to 300. At 200 I was able to dial the brightness down and have facial hits on a life-size face target without a magnifier. At 300 it was on the 8 1/8" X 11" paper we printed the target on but couldn’t hold an adequate group.
Eye relief should be no problem at all. I have moved it all over the rail and it makes no difference.
I shot a PRO also. Very good sight for the money. Only miniscule downfall is the type of battery and reduced battery life. If you arent beating the he!! out of it like I do at work, I go for the PRO and save the $200.
I want something that can get the hell beat out of it and still work…same goes for the waterproofing…I don’t expect to be 150 feet under (and if I am, the RDS is the least of my worries), but the extra insurance never hurts.
I hope I never need any of it for anything serious…but if i do, I don’t wanna to find myself saying, “I should have gotten the M4”…because it will be getting wet, crossing rivers on horseback mostly…I’m not trying to spec a prom queen rifle
It will live a hard life, well cared for…but a hard life.
Why a piston? Vickers gave 4 reasons why one might actually need a piston AR…reason #4 pertains to me, in addition to the water mentioned above…and I got it at a good price.
If the sig isn’t much of a problem, then a 2 moa aimpoint m4 should be fine. Same age but my eye issues are just the opposite. I think the m4s is slightly more crisp than my T1 2moa but not enough to make any real difference.
I have heard a few old timers like us (actually older) say the m4 worked when the micros didn’t. I have no idea how that happens but they swear it does. I have never experienced it.
I suspect if you have a problem with an m4 or m4s then you probably are out of luck with rds.
I’m gonna get one and try it, I don’t know of anywhere local that I can try before I buy…I’m gonna look around for the best deal with a return policy I guess…Midway, maybe Cabelas…or Grant (not sure what his policy is)
I have both and agree wih this. If cost isn’t a factor M4 is superior. If you go M4 get the high battery mount. Easier to manipulate the control knob with gloves on or with a magnifier behind it.
If you can wait until Black Friday, you can find an M4/M4s for less than $600. I’ve seen the Pro for less than $400 which includes a decent mount. Its hard not to buy that for such a good price, I got one of my mom’s 20 year old Colt AR-15 and it rejuvenated that gun like nothing else.
Damn this is getting expensive…at least for an old gearjammer like me.
$800+ for the Aimpoint (the optic plus flip covers)
$550+ for the magnifier (I am gonna wait on this, may not need it…)
$200+ for Troy BUIS
$135+ if I need/want a Larue mount
$300 I’ve already spent on mags
And my remaining arm and leg for a shitload of ammo.
Counting the cost of the rifle…thats darn near $3,000!
Ahh hell…if ya wanna play ya gotta pay I reckon. :jester:
