**Aimpoint 3x Magnifier** (review w/ pics)

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03designgroup | [b]Aimpoint 3x Magnifier and LaRue Tactical QD Pivot Mount [/b]

For several years I have been trying to find the “perfect optic” for work. I needed something that was very proficient in a CQB enviornment (non magnified electronic red dot) and something that would give me some magnification for situations that took place at longer distances.

In setting in which I work, 75% of the missions are CQB and the other 25% can range from permiter work, to overwatch on a VIP detail, to searching large warehouses or schools, etc.

SWAT missions can often be dynamic in nature. One minute you can find yourself on a permiter trying to see if the barricaded gunman, standing in the window has a gun or a cell phone in his hand. The next minute you’re being redirected to be part of the entry team. On other missions you may find yourself sitting across a large parking lot covering a buy / bust operation, the bad guy goes mobile and now your part of a vehicle take down.

In short there are times where an electronic red dot rules the day and other times where a magnified optic is more desirable. But there is almost never the time or opportunity to take one optic off the gun and replace it with another while in the middle of a mission.

2 - 3 years ago I had the opportunity to get a small amount of trigger time on a Aimpoint M3 with 2 MOA dot and Aimpoint 3x magnifier.

As I recall the Aimpoint M3 was in a standard LaRue Aimpoint Mount (#LT-150, not the cantalever version) and the Aimpoint 3x Magnifier was either a LaRue standard Aimpoint mount or night vision mount.

Due to the way the Aimpoint and 3x Magnifier was setup, I remember having to move my head to the rear on the stock to get the proper eye relief, and thus wasn’t in my natural shooting position (head was too far to the rear on the stock).

The one thing that sticks out in my mind about the 3x Magnifier after using it (in the setup mentioned above) was that I didn’t care for the field of view (reminded me of looking through a straw) and the 3x Magnifier just didn’t “do it” for me.

In theory the magnifier would be an excellent choice, in reality it’s not. Sometimes events can be so dynamic and situations can happen so quickly that you don’t have time to fish around in a pouch for a magnifier, locate it, and then put it on the gun. Or if I had the magnifier in a pouch on my SWAT vest and I rolled on a bank robbery in progress, active shooter incident, etc. and had to deploy the carbine and didn’t have a chance to don my SWAT gear then I’m without the magnifier.

I needed something that stayed on the gun and was easy to use. I needed an optic that I could go from no magnification to 3x, 4x, or 5x while on the move in a second or two seconds at the most. Thus the magnifier was not an option for me.

Fast forward a couple years. LaRue Tactical releases their 3x Magnifier Pivot Mount (LT649), which keeps the 3x Magnifier on the gun, but has the ability to move the 3x magnifier into the same viewing plane as the Aimpoint (ie. Aimpoint ML3 + 3x magnification) or move it out of the viewing plane, so the shooter is looking through just the non-magnified Aimpoint.

The ring portion of the LaRue Pivot Mount is a rotating spring loaded design that rotates the 3x magnifier out of the way of the Aimpiont (to the 2 o’clock position) simply by grabbing a hold of the magnifier, pull it back toward your face, and rotate to the right. Once the LaRue Pivot Mount gets to the 2 o’clock positoin, it automatically locks into place and the 3x magnifier is held in the 2 o’clock position and the shooter then can use the unmagnified Aimpoint.

I have been shooting the S&B Short Dot for the last couple years, but had been using Aimpoints since the late 90’s. The only down side to my Aimpoints is that they lacked magnification.

I have a lot of law enforcement / military guys contact me and ask my opinions on different optics. Many of them have the simular mission statements as me and have simular likes and dislikes. The Short Dot is hard for many to afford due to it’s price. And there aren’t a lot of other options on the market if magnification + an electronic red dot (that can be seen under all lighting conditions) is needed.

A couple months ago I ordered a LaRue 3x Magnified Pivot mount and an Aimpoint 3x Magnifier.

I mounted the LaRue Pivot Mount / 3x Magnifier behind an Aimpoint ML3 (2 MOA dot) in a LaRue cantalever mount on my Colt LE6920.

I have shot this set up from 50 yards out to 425 yards. Just last week I shoot 100 rounds at the steel gongs at my local range at 425 yards, conditions were cold and windy. With just a little hold over, it was extreemly easy to engage the gongs at 425 yards.

Some observations of the Aimpoint ML3 + 3x magnifier:

-The 3x Magnifier in the LaRue Pivot Mount would be a good duty set up as it give you non magnified electronic red dot to 3x magnification on the fly

-Very clear glass

-Generous eye relief (2" - 2.5")

-Wider field of view than I remember (close to the field of view on my Short Dot at 3x

-The 3x magnifier can be taken off the gun when no needed to save weight or make the carbine more mission specific

-In a recent phone conversation with Pat Rogers, Pat brought up the fact that the 3x Magnifier can be removed from the gun and used as a monocular

-A single 3x Magnifier can be used on several different guns set up with Aimpoints or EO Techs

-3x Magnifier assists with threat and target identification

-3x Magnifier is much more economical than something like the Short Dot

-Noticed my groups at 50 and 100 yards were much smaller :wink:

-The 3x Magnifier can be brought into the viewing plane or moved out of the viewing plane with the support hand in approximatley 1 second while on the run.

  In closing, I am very impressed with the Aimpoint 3x Magnifier in the LaRue Pivot Mount and will be using it for work.  The Aimpoint 3x magnifier is definately another tool in the tool box.

S/F,
Jeff
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I will be interested in your findings after working with this setup for awhile. Specifically, if money was not an issue, was you pick the Short Dot or the Aimpoint combo.

The Aimpoint combo is actually faster to go from 1 - 3 than the SD. When using the 3x for things it wasn’t designed for (small groups on paper) the lack of diopter adjustment becomes an issue for me and my slight astigmatism.

I look forward to your and Zak’s optic reviews, thanks.

I’ve been considering going from my 3x Compact ACOG to an Aimpoint with 3x magnifier. The biggest thing holding me back has been the weight of the Aimpoint setup. Well, that and the fact that I’d be going from a $800 optic/mount setup to a $1100 one.

Jeff, any idea how the Aimpoint plus magnifier, in the mounts you used, weigh compared to the Short Dot in the Larue mount?

(I know I’m going to wind up digging all over the internet to find the answers myself now :frowning: )

Thank you for the very thorough and useful review…

This question was recently asked on another forum.

“I have my Aimpoint Comp M3 zeroed at 50. When flipping down the 3x magnifier, I have a 1/2 to 3/4 inch POI shift at 50. I noticed a shift on another board members T1/3x combo recently also.”

It is an excellent question and deserves a solid explaination. First, magnifiers or Night Vision Devices placed behind an Aimpoint Sight will not impact the BZO. However, magnifiers or NVDs placed in front of any red dot sights will shift the POI from the POA. Here is the rest of what I posted:

“Okay, let’s apply some logic. The magnifier does not move the BZO of the Aimpoint sight. What may be happening is that your BZO is off by 1/2” at 50 yards and it takes the magnification of 3x magnifier for you to realize it. Try zeroing the Aimpoint sight with the magnifier and then shoot a group with out.

This concept is similar to if you BZO’d your BUIS (assuming same plane diopters) with the large aperture and then noticed that your BZO has shifted slightly when using the small aperture. The smaller aperature allows you to aim more precisely, thus you’ll shoot smaller more accurate groups giving the appearance of a BZO shift. However, if you BZO’d with the smaller aperture then shot with the larger aperture your groups may be larger, but you shouldn’t notice a shift."

S/F

good review. I too feel it is much easier and faster to switch from 1x to 3x and vice versa with a flip mount than say a shortdot or NF 1-4x.

slightly off topic… will an aimpoint micro on a larue mount work with the 3x on a larue pivot mount set up for lefty plus a troy buis all mounted on top of a flattop?

Aimpoint 3x Magnifier directly behind the Aimpoint ML3

Aimpoint 3x Magnifier flipped to the right side (2 o’clock), out of the way of the Aimpoint ML3

S/F,
Jeff

thanks for the info. a magnifier to put behind my Aimpoint is on the short list.

it looks like the magnifier sits close enough to the Aimpoint that the rear lens cover (on the Aimpoint) can’t be flipped open without moving the magnifier. Could the magnifier be moved close enough to the Aimpoint that a rear lens cover wouldn’t be necessary?

Does anyone know if the Aimpoint 3x magnifier will work behind an AImpoint M4 in a tall larue mount? Does it have enough forward offset to clear the the M4
and still be far enough forward to allow a BUIS? Thanks

[b]I knew the Short Dot vs. Aimpoint + Magnifier question was going to eventually be asked.

In my opinion it’s not an apples to apples comparison (Short Dot vs. Magnifier) as you are comparing a $2,400 variable powered low magnification scope to a $500 magnifier. The Short Dot is a self contained optic, the Aimpoint Magnifier is a supplement optic for an Aimpoint. It’s an apples to oranges comparison at best.

With every piece of gear there are pros and cons and a distinct learning curve. I can think of situations where the Aimpoint + Magnifier would better suit my needs and situations where the Short Dot would better suit my needs.

What would work best, it really depends on your the enviornment you are operating in, how much of your time is spent doing CQB vs. long distance shooting / target (threat) identification, personal preferences, etc.

Both the Short Dot and the 3x magnifier are tools and expand the end users options. I have both and will use both at work. I’m not getting rid of my Short Dots, and there is a good chance that I’ll be picking up another Aimpoint 3x magnifier.[/b] :wink:

[b]Unfortunatley I don’t have a way to weigh the Short Dot or the Aimpoint + Magnifier in the LaRue mounts.

You may want to contact Pat, FJB, or mfingar as they may have the weights on both set ups or a way to weigh them.

A small digital scale is on my short list of things to get. I never see them when I’m shopping, so I always forget to pick one up.
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Not with the cantalever mount, but may be a possibility with the standard (non-cantalever) mount. FJB may be able to answer your question, he has a lot more expereince with this than me.

S/F,
Jeff

Aimpoint 3x Magnifier directly behind the Aimpoint ML3 (shooters view):

Aimpoint 3x Magnifier move out of the way via the LaRue Pivot Mount (shooters view):

(Disclaimer: The dot in the Aimpoint is 2 MOA, and the camera is set too far away from the 3x Magnifier for proper eye relief (thus the large black circle in the optic). The pictures were taken to show how the LaRue Pivot mount looked from the shooter’s perspective.)

Loner,
The Micro T-1 in the LT660 mount will work with the Aimpoint 3X in an LT Pivot Mount, as well as Aimpoint’s Twist Mount. They both will provide you with enough room for both of them plus your BUIS.

S/F

S/F,
Jeff

Rob,
“any idea how the Aimpoint plus magnifier, in the mounts you used, weigh compared to the Short Dot in the Larue mount?”

I have posted this info at EAG/TRICON Alumni forums in greater detail. It is a comparison of military optics only, thus I don’t have the CompC3 etc. Feel free to make one of your famous spread sheets. I can provide more info for that if you like.

Aimpoint CompM4 w/3X Magnifier & Twist Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1486
Life Cycle Cost - 80,000 Hours w/ AA Lithium Battery
CompM4 MSR $780 + 3X Magnifier MSR $535 + Twist Mount MSR $171
Weight - CompM4 335g + 3X Magnifier w/Twist Mount 300g = 635g

Aimpoint CompM3 QRP Mount w/3X Magnifier & Twist Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1373
Life Cycle Cost – 50,000 Hours w/ CR 1/3N Lithium Battery = 2 Batteries X $3.49 = $7
CompM3 MSR $556 + QRP Mount MSR $104 + 3XMagnifier MSR $535 + Twist Mount MSR $171
Weight – CompM3 w/ QRP Mount 335g + 3X Magnifier w/Twist Mount 300g = 635g

Aimpoint CompM2 QRP Mount w/3X Magnifier & Twist Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1314
Life Cycle Cost – 20,000 Hours w/ CR 1/3N Lithium Battery = 4 Batteries X $3.49 = $14
CompM2 MSR $490 + QRP Mount MSR $104 + 3X Magnifier MSR $535 + Twist Mount MSR $171
Weight - CompM2 w/ QRP Mount 335g + 3X Magnifier w/Twist Mount 300g = 635g

Micro T-1 w/LT660 Mount w/3X Magnifier & Twist Mount MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1455
Life Cycle Cost – 50,000 Hours w/CR2032 Lithium Battery = 2 Batteries X $0.99 = $2
Micro T-1 MSR $650 + LT660 Mount MSR $98 + 3X Magnifier w/ Twist Mount $706
Weight – Micro T-1 w/ LT Mount 177gr + 3X Magnifier w/Twist Mount 300gr = 477gr

Schmidt & Bender 1.1-4X Short Dot II MSR + Life Cycle Cost $2975
Life Cycle Cost – 100 Hours CR2032 Battery = $776
1.1-4X Short Dot II MSR $2199 + Life Cycle Cost $776
Weight – 530gr with out a mount. Weight with an LT 104 or ADM equivilent?

Trijicon TA01NSN-DOC MSR + Life Cycle Cost $1605
Life Cycle Cost – 10 Years Tritium + 17,000 Hours per CR2032 Battery = 5 Batteries X $0.97 = $5
TA01NSN-DOC MSR $1600 + Life Cycle Cost $5
Weight – 424gr

Gentle Ben,
Your question has many variables. Depending upon the mount you use for the Aimpoint sight and if you use an Aimpoint 3X magnifier in an LT Pivot Mount it might be possible without BUIS and maybe with BUIS.

S/F

thanks to both for the info.

Yes, it will work.

Great write up, Jeff. I’ve a question for anyone with experience: While it is intended to be mounted behind the Aimpoint, I’ve read it is possible to mount it behind an Eotech as well…

Does anyone know how well the magnifier with the flip mount line up with the Eotech in a Larue 110 mount? How much/hard is the adjustment to bring set it up between the two optics? Does it mount on that riser on the 110 mount?
While I’d primarily be using it behind my M3, it’d be nice to be able to use it with the Eotech as well.

Sorry for all the noob questions… it’s just a lot of money to spend on something that may not line up just right.

Thanks!

Try the scale offered by the Post Office.

I have the same setup and I love it.

Thanks FJB, I may have that same info elsewhere and just didn’t think to look for it there. :wink:

The crux of the issue is really the weights of the Larue mounts, which I could have sworn were on the LT website but don’t appear to be there anymore.

Checked all the local Post Offices and none of them have had the USPS scales in quite some time. Checked 3 Wal-Mart stores and none of them carry digital scales.

Anyone have a line on a decent quality / decent priced scale digital that will go up to around 10 lbs?

S/F,
Jeff