America is not the greatest country in the world anymore…
Disagree!!! It is not as great as it used to be, but we are still head and shoulders above all the other shitholes out there.
That show is a progressive fantasy supposedly cloaked in a evenhanded nonpartisan wrapper. The first season ended with it supposedly middle of the road anchor saying that the tea party was the American Taliban. I wonder how they are going to spin all of the IRS and other attacks on conservatives since then.
I think I’m going to switch it so that I can get Cinemax and watch strike back instead of this HBO crap. The problem is I think both channels are owned by HBO anyway.
I think I might cancel HBO and get Cinemax until game of thrones comes back on.
Oh yeah they’re trying to close up the dead occupy Wall Street bullshit too.
You want progressive shows on TV, that’s fine, I don’t care. Just don’t try to say that they’re evenhanded the ultimate in newsworthy coverage that should be what real news should be. The show is basically MSNBC’s newsroom with Fox management guess who gets portrayed better.
His entire diatribe is a bunch of leftwing nutjobery.
Still the greatest country. But our leadership is not representative of our greatness, and is pulling us downward.
Still the Greatest Nation on Earth. However… on our current vector, America will begin to look increasingly like a third world country with a big governmental apparatus - think some sad combination of Russia, Mexico, and Somalia.
Detroit is the just the tip of this impending iceberg. I have seen this in other countries. Anyone with any sort of wealth will live in a walled compound with broken glass embedded in the concrete of the outer wall. There will be huge sections of slums and ghettos. And don’t think you will be safe by just living in the suburbs, exburbs, or country. When Rhodesia, South Africa and Argentina collapsed farms were raided as a matter of course. Inhabitants were raped, robbed and sometimes killed as a matter of course.
Sadly, the Dems nor the Gops have any interest in preventing this pending disaster. They are too busy looting the treasury for their own purposes.
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Still the greatest but headed down a path that will be very rough.
We’ve taken a sharp left turn from the “basics” we were founded up on.
Unless we turn back to those “basics”…I think…
...we ain't seen nothin' yet...
:cray:
Oh well, maybe it’s just me…
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Strongly disagree. Still the greatest. Still the gold standard but not nearly what we could be.
A lot of people that live here don’t have the general respect for America that everyone should have and we most certainly have government problems, but overall there is nothing like America.
Disagree. but for the sake of argument, if it wasn’t, then which country would it be?
Disagree, as well.
Because the good old days weren’t really all the good. Nor are they that old.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched the clip, but as I recall almost all of his points can be summarily rebutted up by saying, “What, you think this country was better when women couldn’t vote? When people could arbitrarily be forced to pay poll taxes and take a test before they could vote, all on account of their skin color? When we were involved in a war that cost us hundreds of thousands of lives? When we could suffer 50,000 casualties in one day, in one battle? When unarmed protesters (and innocent bystanders) were shot and killed by National Guardsmen? When the President had to deploy the 101st Airborne within the United States? When we herded hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians into concentration camps while their sons fought and died for our freedoms thousands of miles from home? When getting an abortion meant going to a back alley “doctor” and contracting HIV was a death sentence? When contracting TB was a death sentence? When polio ran rampant? Because that’s what you make it sound like.”
Disagree.
I saw a few fouled up shit holes outside of CONUS when I was much younger, so I have something to compare to the U.S. I believe the U.S. is the best place to live in the world.
Undecided.
I don’t have enough current information about every other country to make the call.
I always imagined it would probably be nice to live in Switzerland if I ever became fabulously wealthy. I know it’s socialism but their educated socialism seems to work better than our improvised socialism.
I can think of dozens and dozens of places I could never live.
Not to dismiss your points, but if you go back to those times, most other places were much, much worse.
Yes it was wrong to intern Japanese Americans who were innocent. We should remember not all of them were innocent and that the Japanese in Japan were doing much, much worse to the countries they visited.
Yes there were many injustices done to black in this country in the past. But there were plenty of places where it was worse to be black, and that includes many places in Africa. In fact if I had to choose between being black in the south in 1952 and being black in Africa right now in either a hutu or tutsi village I’d have to say “Yesum” a whole lot.
Yes Kent State was terrible and the fact that innocent bystanders were shot is appalling. What is even more appalling is that institutions of higher education were hijacked by political radicals who burned down buildings, rioted and put the entire student body at risk and seem to have gotten away with it and aren’t even held accountable for creating the situation in the first place.
And if you think HIV, TB and polio was bad in this country, where was it better during the same time period? In fact it was this country that came up with the polio vaccine and we’ve probably done the lions share of the work with regard to TB and HIV. In fact were it not for rampant illegal immigration we’d have probably managed to eliminate TB by now.
Now I don’t want to idealize the past, especially one that never existed. We remember nickel Cokes but forget our experiments with Eugenics and a socialist program in the US that could require the forcible sterilization of those deemed “indigent” (undesirable). And certainly there was something simple about the 50s and 60s but at the same time they lived in fear of a nuclear war that could happen at any moment.
But with all of the problems and things we’d like to forget, nobody ever got 2.86 million dollars because they were careless enough to spill hot coffee on themselves.
New Zealand, Australia, and Singapore are attractive options, but it depends on your profession and economic status. The US is a great country for the top 5% and bottom 40% of income earners as well as certain professions such as entertainers, athletes, etc. It is not such a great place for those of us who make up the working 41-95% of income earners. If it were not for my family ties, I’d rather live in NZ or AUS over the US. Singapore has a lot going for it, but I still perfer the US. I’m fully aware of their restrictive gun laws, but the perks outweigh this drawback for my profession.
NZ and Oz have shitty gun laws.
curious why NZ or OZ ?
I know my ozzy friends are glad to be out of OZ ?
some love it there of course I like there off road rigs 
and camping stuff and think it might be nice but crime is quite high for violent personal crime and when you live there they say its pretty bad really but kinda kept quiet ? things are very expensive there import fees etc.
even those that love it there come here a lot to make more money doing seminars etc…
NZ is so easy again on criminals and has a lot of crime again violent personal problems etc… lots of restrictions and very expensive
both as said bad gun laws and even knife laws !
singapore if you have money is very nice sounding of course have to be careful about certain things so have to be willing to live within some confines of the countries laws
my wife is from Canada and her parents came to Canada to get out of there country problems (England)
a few rellies in OZ and she can get her common british passport but not sure we could ever move there ? getting in is pretty tough
not disagreeing I just hear another view so would love to hear more from another view
wife and I always joke about Canada being a better deal these days for business and what we pay out except of course for housing which is brutal expensive in Vancouver area
For my particular profession, I can make a very good living in a city such a Melbourne, Cains, Perth, Auckland, or Adelaide and enjoy a similar (if not better) standard of living. Again, this is my personal experience having spent a fair amount of time in NZ and AUS. I always look forward to going there each time I go down under, and I never want to leave when it’s time to go home. Someday, I hope to stay for good.
I think the best option is to find the parts of this country where “they” can’t find you. Places where the FSA doesn’t flock to congregate because of the massive social programs and environments particularly suited to their desires.
The FSA for example doesn’t enjoy remote places with no exciting night life. My dream is to one day sell my house for a fair price and cash out to something with slightly more square footage for all my stuff in a quiet (almost boring) town that has the basic amenities for most of my wants and needs and perhaps just have something rare (like being able to watch TV without having to get up to find out what all that fucking noise is outside and get a full nights sleep knowing there is nothing out there that requires me to check on it regularly) become “normal” for me.
Some decent local eateries with good food rather then the McCrap Bell you often have to settle for where you can get “the special” on a chilly afternoon and walk to most places. Yeah…I’d take that.
going by history nobody stays on top and lots of countries who have been failed eventually
but political climates were not the same so hard to say what would happen but cant see to much good out of the countries in line behind us taking over as super power !
I am more a we should be protecting ourselves big time rather than being so spread out !
You know whats unfortunate? That we can’t even place above 10th place in economic freedom.
http://www.heritage.org/index/
Registering a loss of economic freedom for the fifth consecutive year, the U.S. has recorded its lowest Index score since 2000. Dynamic entrepreneurial growth is stifled by ever-more-bloated government and a trend toward cronyism that erodes the rule of law. More than three years after the end of recession in June 2009, the U.S. continues to suffer from policy choices that have led to the slowest recovery in 70 years.