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The issue is that we have no idea why the rifle failed or how?
Was this guy under the impression that lube is bad for your rifle thus running it dry?
Was it a magazine related stoppage?
Was it worn parts needing to be replaced? Is so no rifle will fix this when it gets old.
Sadly old and busted magazines, and worn out rifles wont be fixed by the IC, once the new rifles get old they will be in just as bad of shape as our current ones.
Then there is the teaching of scraping your rifle parts ill they shine and that lube attracts sand and is bad for your rifle.
You are correct. There is alot of gray area to these ( in this case very tragic) cases as to what lead to the failure and said catastrophic results. The blanket result is to blame it on the weapon itself when it could have been a crappy magazine or any of the myriad of other points you brought up.
Again despite those points things like this are inevitably driving this “second coming” forward. The M4 is flawed in the higher ups eyes without denial. Perhaps when they field 50000 Adcor Bears and they have stoppages too because of bad mags, poor training, etc. etc. etc. along with a host of new problems they’ll figure it out…or push ahead for a “third coming”.
Who knows… whether its issuing new mags, rotating new M4s, providing state of the art training in malfunction drills and tactics etc or indeed a new weapons system… we can only hope it works out and gives our forces an edge at effectively engaging the enemy and most importantly getting out alive and coming home. Because at the end of the day thats all that really matters.
From what I understand all you need is to have the first 1-star in your CoC provide a memo authorizing this. You can do the same with your own personally-owned handgun.
The rub is finding that 1-star willing to do so and avoiding that Customs Agent who doesn’t know the regulations enough to make it easy for you to bring back said handgun even with a memo.
CA Units have a lot of LEOs who would rather bring their Glocks or Sigs instead of lugging around that M-9. A lot of the CACOM Commanders (1-star billet) are themselves LEOs. FWIW.
I agree with everything you said.
No one wants to admit blame in life and its always easy to place the blame on something else, in this case the M4.
I also noticed the time stamp 2005-2006, more than likely the M4 was not new then so it did not have the improved extractor upgrade, also isnt that when they really pushed very light lu e to avoid attracting sand?
Things like this and Wanat are indeed what Push politicians to say its time for a new infantry rifle, and we all know every system has its flaw and once the IC(if it gets adopted) starts showing its wear from age and use we will see just how badly we really needed that new rifle, be it the ADCOR or the FN rifle.
The ADCOR is an intereting idea but I also know it has some issues, i would love to see how it holds up 5yrs from now after having 500,000 in soldiers hands and with constant scraping and removal of protective finishes, as well as not getting any spare replacement parts till they break, because sadly that seems to be how the army feels about maint. Run it till it breaks then fix it. The issue is that moment it breaks may just be when you need it most, but could have been avoided with preventative maint.
You can’t fix a software problem (training) with a hardware solution (new equipment)… Folks need to know how to use what they’ve got.
Soldiers should be able to shoot farther… so here’s an ACOG. There are very few in my unit that know how to ACTUALLY use them, but we’ve all got them. It’s really disappointing.
Apologies for zombie threading this one.
The jackass in the photo was my platoon sergeant on that deployment (and the jackass behind him was my PL) and those photos are pretty flattering because you can’t see the clown shoes both of them were wearing.
The PSG had authorization from no one for carrying and using the ADCOR upper on his rifle. Our platoon was geographically several provinces away from the flagpole for the army side chain of command and our PRT was Navy and very hands off. Our PSG’s mom apparently told him he was Tier 1 growing up, so he felt justified outfitting himself with all the cool guy kit he saw the SF and MARSOC guys on our FOB running around with (i.e. the photo’s don’t show the non-FR Crye Precision combat pants he lived in downrange, etc.).
I can’t speak for ADCOR products in general, but that upper in particular was notably unreliable whenever we went to the range, and had trouble making it through a full magazine without a stoppage. (Also note that he had never test fired it before we got to our FOB in A’stan, which is something I might have done somewhere along the line before staking my life on a new piece of kit . . .)
Despite the mechanical issues, SFC Jackass carried it on every patrol he went on. The concept of someone taking a mechanically unreliable weapon outside the wire because it looked cool pretty much should tell you everything you need to know about the NCO in question, as well as the PL who didn’t have enough spine to call him on his stupidity. As for what it says about ADCOR products – I don’t know, maybe it was a Monday-morning gun or a Friday-quitting time gun. Everybody has an occasional lemon (both in terms of manufactured products as well as chains of command . . .)
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That’s great, thanks so much for the information.
I wonder if this dude is a Nutnfancy fan. (The chest-mounted pistol, the Mechanix gloves)
Hey I’m a Mechanix fan!:nono:
You should go over to Afghanistan and ask him.
Me too. Just picked up some M-pact gloves in coyote
Chill out
Besides that its been cleared up that he was a wannabe whats wrong with the mechanix gloves? 
Nothing that I know of, except most at least buy the covert version without the loud logos.
Wannabe? The guy over in Afghanistan serving his country or the never have, never will people sniping at him from behind a computer in America?:rolleyes:
He could be everything McLovin said and more…but he is (was) in a place most on this board will never go to. This place is becoming more like Arfcom every fucking day.
Sorry I mispoke there. By wannabe I wasn’t referring to military. He has my highest regards for serving. As McLovin said though, trying to follow everything SF does kinda puts him in the “wannabe” category. Again, I’m sorry that came across the wrong way.
I don’t know your background, but chest mounted pistols are very common in Afghanistan.
Well he is rockin a Serpa holster and chose to carry an unreliable gun.
Serpa holsters are also extremely common in Afghanistan… I’m pretty sure everyone I saw there had one if they were issued an M9. The reason for the chest mount is often vehicle ops. That’s why I saw it a lot… I didn’t dismount very often, but rode in lots of vehicles outside the wire.
The upper issue aside, those guys look too damn clean to me. All that brand spankin new gear needs a good roll in the dirt.