Have come across several posts recently where members seemed to be unimpressed with Black Hills for one reason or another.
Anyone have any formal/legit accuracy testing of the BH 50g?
Have come across several posts recently where members seemed to be unimpressed with Black Hills for one reason or another.
Anyone have any formal/legit accuracy testing of the BH 50g?
What? BH makes great ammo, anyone who thinks BH is garbage is smoking something.
Not garbage, I think it was more along the lines of tolerances and variances from round to round.
BH is garbage ammo. The only good thing they do is pick nice projectiles that mask a lot of their sloppy manufacturing.
You really have to work hard to make a premium bullet shoot bad. So the real reason people view BH as premium is that the other options out there are just that BAD.
I mean… if you switch to BH from some M855 or XM193 with a 2.5 MOA bullet… YEAH… it’s going to seem like good stuff.
Not everyone makes perfect tailored .1133333 MOA handloads ![]()
A few years back when I did the SPR Sniper Course we had to use BH 77gr. ammo. It was by far the best ammo I had fired and functioned 100% during the course.
You literally can’t screw up those 77 gr bullets. They are that good.
Hand loads aren’t THAT much more accurate than a 77 grain BH load… But the things that irritate me about BH are their Bullet runout, poor quality brass (since I like to reuse the brass), Bad primer seating depth (on .308… not observed on .223).
We got some once fired 300 WM brass from a cat who shot a precision class at Blackwater, and the shit was useless. Primer pockets were too loose to bother reloading.
They can’t put a bullet in straight to save their lives… but thats where the SMK covers for their slop.
We had some Red box .308 168s that wouldn’t fire in a factory bolt gun due to primers seated too deep.
There’s literaly not ONE THING I’ve measured from BH where I said “hey… that’s acceptable”. ![]()
I thought back in the day Molon’s sick precision group analysis was often included BH Redbox.
I thought it was my imagination or more likely declining skills but several years ago my N4 Recce regularly printed sub-moa for 5 shots with BH bluebox 77 gr and then about a year passed and the new BH bluebox 77 and 75 gr I was buying would not get close. It’s had me scratching my head for a long time and I wondered if it wasn’t all me.
Hard to say with that blue box stuff. Who knows what those jokers are doing these days.
I can remember years back that .223 stuff had way long brass… out of spec… not trimmed at all. And the head stamps were damn near tumbled off the brass.
I don’t know how they cleaned their brass, but it was harsh on the cases. ![]()
The BHA I’ve used and seen used…an awful lot of it…has performed with distinction. I can count on one hand the number of issues I’ve had in 20yrs with all collective BHA offerings, something I can not say for any of the major manufacturers and a few smaller ones.
In the accuracy department, I’ve had particularly good results with the the BH Gold 155gr AMAX in .308, the 124gr XTP in 9mm, and various .223 especially the 60 VMAX, 68 OTM, and Mk262.
.223 or 5.56 77gr?
Don’t get me wrong… BH is better than most of the ammo you can get out there… it’s just not deserving of the reputation it has on many of the forums.
Like I pointed out before… Tula had higher quality in their line of ammo… but they were the opposite of BH in that their 4 MOA bullet made all the other good they did… useless.
Everything other than the bullet in Tula measured infinitely better than BH ammo… which goes back to my point of the good bullet masking their slop.
It was MK 262 MOD1 ammo in 5.56.
So far everything I have used by them has run flawlessly. 556/77g MK262, 50g TSX very accurate stuff. I found that their 60g V-max was so accurate its all I use when zeroing my BUIS and optics.
The ammo quality bar has been beaten down so low that when we don’t get malfs we’re happy…
And again… good bullet selections in those loads are the trick.
You would NEVER catch BH trying to run a VLD bullet, because you can’t get away with murderous mediocrity with those puppies. ![]()
Usually your posts are amusing. Usually…
However, I’m just not buying into what you’ve posted. I’d like to see what you’re seeing in regards to the crap BH ammo.
Have you contacted BH ammo about their shoddy workmanship?
All,
My name is Jeff Hoffman. My wife and I own Black Hills Ammunition. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect that, however I disagree with some of the characterizations of our product that I have seen here. In plain language, We Care. We do our best to offer a quality product that is a superior value. We are not perfect, and in any case where a customer is not 100% satisfied with our efforts, there is a solution. We offer a satisfaction guarantee. Call us and we will do our best to resolve the issue. If the customer is not satisfied we will completely refund the customer what he paid his BHA dealer and pay return shipping. Our toll free number is 800-568-6625. Generally the first person to contact with any concerns is Carl Bullock. We are about to take our summer shutdown next week (July 15-19), and Carl will be off. We are here today until 1400 MT if anyone has any issue we should get started on. I assure you we will personally respond today with any concern called in prior to 1400. Thanks, Jeff
Good of you to post and I wanted to ad, for the record, that I did not intend to start trouble, was simply looking for an explanation after certain posts were made.
I also want to note that I’ve been completely satisfied with Black Hills and have been buying the 50g TSX rounds for my SD/SHTF stockpile for quite a long time and have never had an issue with them. Although I’ve started reloading due to the current ammo supply issues, I will continue to buy the 50g rounds from BH as soon as they become available again.
Rocsteady,
No offense at all. Let me know if there is any data or information that we can assist with. Pressures, velocities through different length barrels, gel performance of same, accuracy specs for that projectile etc. Pretty much anything except actual load data, which we do not release.
Jeff
I don’t see it as starting trouble. I’ll gladly run my measurements up against the fanboys’ measurements data any day. But typically they’re not loaders and usually don’t know much about what it takes to make good ammo.
Now if someone says they shot a half inch group with black hills… I don’t doubt it for a second. If you throw a SMK down your barrel… it’s really hard NOT to get it to fly beautifully.
I’m not shooting from the hip with NO facts to back it up… Now I suppose someone could say I’m lying… in which case… Whatever. ![]()