+1 I’ve seen several suppressors off 4" and 6" M16PDW’s send up looking like that.
No, it is consistant with what he said. He stated he fired just 200-300 rounds on an 11.5 and 14.5 inch barrel, semi auto. None full auto. That would not melt a blast baffle (obviously). So since it could not have melted, and since there are clearly impacts off center, then it must have been bullet fragments. What else would it be?
It was shot on a 11.5 and 14.5 semi auto only – and very few rounds. Yes, 4" and 6" barrels put out some serious pressures and have poor ballistics.
So explain how a .308 through a 5.56 can would not blow off the can.
Settle down guys
rsilver – I had no idea of the origins of the picture – I have seen similar damage on the cans I mentioned ealier.
Robert,
Quit editing your posts, you aren’t fooling anyone.
Guys-
Let’s quit now while we’re ahead, please?
Robert has to defend that damaged silencer as best he can. Without knowing 100% without a doubt what happened, he has to take the position he’s taken.
It doesn’t look like impacts to me either, but I don’t know much. To me, it looks melted- something is melted and I don’t think molten lead and copper came from the barrel- I would assume heat from the barrel melted that baffle.
If it was bullet impact and all that other crap, it would not be AACs fault. They fixed it for nothing and that either shows they want this one to end or that they have great customer service. You decide which to believe. I’m hopeful and think it’s to prove that they will stand behind their products and work with customers.
Enough said as far as I am concerned.
I think the question was answered on the first page. This page is worthless.
Regardless of what can that is, I wonder how an OPS INC w/muzzle brake mount would have looked after the use/abuse?
Don’t know but if the Ops brake did look like that you simply replace it.
How did the AAC flash suppressor look?
Was it burned and melted by bad ammo and fragments?
I bet it wasn’t. I bet it was fine.
The last piece of the puzzle that doesn’t add up on my old can:
If they were bullet impacts out of line of the bore at just 0.75" from the muzzle, why were there no catastrophic strikes in the rest of the can?
According to AAC, the bullets apparently struck the blast baffle, then travelled through the can within mm’s of the center of the bore, striking baffles all the way through the can, and at the very last moment they nearly corrected themselves and exited the bore of the suppressor, just barely nicking it on the way out.
They took care of it under warranty.
Why??
Good customer service.
If it happens again, I am on my own.
Lesson learned for me, don’t use the can on my 11.5" carbine unless I want to up the risk of damage to the can again.
So you didn’t shoot .308 through it then?
Here is what Robert posted last night before he edited it out:
Originally Posted by rsilvers
What about it? That looks like .308 was shot on an AR10 though a 5.56mm can.
Interesting… Can we get some more details on 14th? Weight, length, suppression, etc? Maybe a comparo to the 15th?
You’ve always got the coolest cans 
Why do you edit everything you post Robert? You need to use the “advanced edit” option when editing so that you can list your reasoning for edits.
Or, at the very least, put a darn “ETA:” in your posts.
Don’t try and be sly and remove half of what you say.
The 14th is 3oz lighter than the 15th and 3/4" shorter. You trade db for size, but I think its great for a SBR. As the 12th model is quieter than the 15th, the 14th seems just about the same difference. Shooting I couldnt really tell much difference. I asked the folks at the other end of the range to listen and they said the 14th was louder, but it wasnt much more than a noticable difference.
Was it still quiet enough as to not give away one’s position if used in a situation other than CQB?
I’m sure that question would have come up eventually.
No one from AAC has or will ever call Shivan or any other customer a “liar.”
He stated he fired a few hundreds rounds of ammo on an 11.5" and 14.5" uppers, no full-auto. If this is the case…then it was a failure with the ammo, no other possibilty. We know that Shivan is a man of great integrity, so it was obviously the ammo. We gave him a free can anyway.
In five years, and thousands of cans, we have never seen this before. It is a learning lesson that we welcomed.
As I noted, AAC went above and beyond in my case.
That is called good customer service.
Again, my lesson learned was that I will be using the can primarily on an 18" bolt gun, but if I do use it on one of my SBR’s I will use nothing but “Tier 1” ammo.
Likely Black Hills or Federal XM193 – certainly not South African M193.
BB493,
Sorry to see that your thread got hijacked. :confused:
Sorry for my long response, sometimes I can be practical to a fault.
You mentioned a BCM upper, I have heard nothing but good things about the BCM uppers and they come highly recommended by Pat Rogers and several of the members over at 10-8. Paul at Bravo Company ran a 11.5" BCM upper through Pat's class recently. You may want to check out the AAR over at the Training section at 10-8.
After much research, I was going to use a BCM upper for my SBR project. BCM uses CMT uppers (Colt also uses CMT as one of the suppliers of their uppers). I put a couple different CMT uppers on my Colt 6920 lowers and fit was perfect and finish was very close (maybe a shade or two of difference between the CMT uppers and Colt lowers).
You had mentioned warentee being a concern (suppressor). I know that Gem-Tech won't warentee their products on anything shorter than a 11.5" barrel. And I have heard of other companies with the same policies. Hopefully Steve or Eric from ADCO will stop in and give us the scoop on other companies (AAC, YMH, Surefire, etc) warentee policies in reference to barrel length.
I don't think you could go wrong with either the 11.5" or 10.5" set up. A word of caution with Bushmaster, I know several guys who have purchased 11.5" Bushmaster barrels and had problems with them.
As for selling guns, if you don't use it, sell it and buy something you will use. You won't regret it.
Looking forward to the pics and the AAR of the new projects!
Take care and stay safe,
Not Steve or Eric (sorry to disappoint), but off the top of my head I can tell you that the suppressor manufacturers generally denounce the 10.5" barrel. If you have an issue with one of their products used on a barrel shorter than 11.5", you may very well be on your own. Bullet stabilization is obviously of the utmost importance when it comes to suppressed weapons.