Apparently some paperwork got leaked, and we’re going back to brace-hunting.
How nice of them to offer an amnesty period though, aka, ‘please just cuff yourself citizen, so we don’t have to’… :rolleyes:
That being said…I wonder if they truly grasp how many more braces there are then bouncy triggers. I’m dying to see how they plan to enforce a brace ban given their current trigger shenanigans are going so well for them…
It’s all just so tiresome.
Why are they worried about braces when they have F15’s
Here is a question. Why cant I just put a 16 inch barrell on it? Make it a rifle, then its no pistol. Can that be done? or is it going to matter, and how would they know if you still had a pistol anyway?
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I’ve thought about sbr’ing my mk18 several times. In IL first I have to have a curios and relics license. Then I have to get the sheriff to sign off. Then apparently I have to file for permission to take it with me when we got to Florida every winter. Jump little doggy jump. Here’s a treat.
Then my wife will say “How many lists do you want to be on, aren’t you on enough already”?
And gun people say online and in person “I’m not voting, it doesn’t make a difference anyway”
It makes a hell of a difference.
Of course you could, it’s all about being under 16 inches anyway. But what would be the point of that?
Well its one way to avoid registering something. You can always keep the pistol upper separate. Then when or if the climate cools, SBR it later if you choose or just sell it down the road. I understand the whole purpose of it, just don’t want to register something needlessly, when I can just make a rifle and contemplate what comes next.
Yall be good little subjects, now. Line up.
Sucker! I can’t believe you don’t have an F15! I’ve got 3 of them!!!
You can. But you can’t still own the short upper or ATF considers that constructive possession.
I don’t think the new Form 1s require a CLEO signoff any more. And anything close to Mk18 isn’t C&R eligible anyway so you don’t need one of those. So you can do a build (Form 1) or you can buy one from a SOT (Form 4).
The brace list will be cross referenced with other lists and then they’ll go after the people that they really wanna go after for the other list but just based on the brace list. That’s how this works. The ubiquity of braces is not a bug them, it’s a feature since so many people own them, it becomes a reason to go after almost anyone…
Funny how they could do this for illegal aliens if they really wanted to, but they don’t.
Isn’t every illegal alien inherently and intrinsically breaking tax laws? Identity theft laws?
Just give me back my unrestricted SBRs dammit! :laugh:
This shouldn’t even be a conversation in the first place.
I would simply like to go back to living in a country where my blatantly and specifically constitutionally enshrined, and even multiply confirmed by the courts for good damn measure, rights aren’t up for nullification every two years.
Like, I get it, vote moar, but why? Okay, they vote “us” out, they then go haywire doing as much dumb shit as they can. Everyone gets into a tizzy, oh noes, we gotta vote “them” out to save our rights/the country/whatev. So we vote “them” out. Safe right? No wait, instead of repealing all the dumb crap “our side” either does nothing, OR spends the next two years continuing to fight off the insane people, because they just keep undermining, and all too often helped along by #ourguys. Apparently to many people on “our” side have failed to understand over the last several decades, that winning a vote doesn’t make the “other guys” POOF into nonexistence, or that ideological zealots are actually going to play along. Then two years later “they” get themselves into a tizzy, vote “us” out, and we are right back to square one, just two more steps behind. And this 2A stuff is just ONE tiny little issue that increasingly doesn’t matter in the light of everything else going on.
What would it matter if I had an entire artillery battery in my backyard if the rest of the country is gone, or that battery can be seized tomorrow because someone changed their mind without even needing to write law? Since when are we at the whims of a monarchy again? I don’t even own any braces, but we all know tomorrow it will be the next thing on ‘the list’.
F***
THAT
SHIT.
If this is “freedom” or what’s supposed to constitute a coherent country, I’m getting off the damn see-saw. I don’t need this endless stress in my life.
We’re nearly at the point where I could live in any country in the world and get the same result.
Isn’t there enough real crime out there to keep a federal agency busy doing something that could actually make a positive difference?
Wonder if they have a high suicide rate from sense of worthlessness? it would certainly be understandable.
Trump started this ball rolling.
So vote moar isn’t an option these days.
I personally don’t have any braces, I’ve paid the tax on mine, so this topic is sort of funny to me at this point.
I’ve sent comments and donated to GOA to stop this because we don’t need more stuff banned, but honestly, the nfa is damm near 100 years old and folks are whining about not being able to skirt the law while making book face videos showing them being a dumbass.
The badge lickers will be whining next when the cops start going after those that skirted the law in the first place.
Change the effing law or pay the effing tax, it really is that simple.
I don’t have the finances to change the law, so I paid the tax, it’s to bad most people can’t think of doing things correctly. Gun owners are their own worst enemy, don’t believe me start a topic on open carry and watch all the gun haters come out if the woodwork, they bitch about this topic which has more or less been illegal for almost a century, but will eat an open carrier for lunch even though that is legal and has gained ground in the last decade (its legal in more states now). This shows how bad gun owners are as a group.
I can’t believe in 2022 I’m reading people saying “I don’t want to be on a list”.
The flipping government knows how many squares of toilet paper you use to complete a transaction, so thinking they don’t know you own XYZ is hilarious.
No, that was ATF. I don’t even think Trump knew was a pistol brace was. Trump was behind the bump stock ban and it was a reactionary move to the Las Vegas shooting.
Trump wasn’t even in office when the pistol brace thing happened.
https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/what-you-need-to-know-about-pistol-brace-laws/
In June 2021, the ATF redefined rifles by specifically excluding AR pistols and braces from the definition. Instead, this newly-proposed definition would move braced-AR pistols out of the pistol category and into the NFA-restricted short-barrel rifle realm.
You are correct, I was thinking of the bump stock ban.
Never got into pistol braces since I have zero interest in SBR’s. This is totalitarian nonsense though.
Not gonna support ATF in their continued march to have us back to flintlocks and muskets, but when I saw the first YT videos of people shouldering their arm braces…I knew it was coming to this.
I’ve seen people actually get prosecuted for unregistered SBRs, pay fines and do jail time. No way was ATF gonna ease up because you got some rubber and velcro. Anyone NOT strapping that thing to their arm was poking the bear. It’s not that I support the bear in any way, but I knew the bear was going to be a problem IF poked.
The only GOOD thing about arm braces is there are so many in circulation and so many major manufacturers were given authorization to produce firearms with them that ATF probably cannot shove the shit back into the goose no matter how hard they try. It’s not gonna be as easy to clamp down on as with bump stocks and various binary trigger systems.
Also there is a perception among most people that “this is normal and must be accepted”, even if I personally think it’s a poor substitute for an actual stock and sort of a bad idea. I think ATF will over reach like they did with their attempt to regulate M855 ammo and there will be a similar backlash. And every time ATF gets their hand smacked and told “No”, that’s probably a good thing.
This is strictly Illinois law passed in 2013 and to my knowledge it hasn’t been changed. To possess a short barreled rifle in IL you have to have an 03ffl license (C&R).
Before this poorly worded law passed there were no short barreled rifles allowed.