As some of you know, I’ve been wanting an MP5 for awhile now. The only thing is I don’t want to spend 4-7 grand just to satisfy my silly little wants. So, what do you folks think of this:
The last fews request for help ended in me learning a little more, but it was decided that the weapons I was choosing was not up to M4C.net standards. 
thanks in advance for the help
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Coharie Arms is another Todd Baily company, that guy is pretty infamous (Not “more than famous”) among the internet gun people world for making crap.
I’d talk to SteyrAug. He’s pretty good with HK style stuff and could steer you a lot better than I.
See SteyrAUGs thread about the Turkish MKE MP5 clones that are coming in country…They are the best for the money, not as well finished as real HK but they share the same reliability. 1500ish should get you started on a pistol version that you can SBR and at a stock to. Avoid the “rifle” version unless you like proprietary 10 rd mags.
I actually picked one of these up from gunbroker for just over a grand and its not as bad as people lead you to believe. It did come with a full auto bolt which was a bonus. I measured the bolt face to see if it was out of spec and it was fine. I also made sure to check the extractor tension which was also good.
Those are the typical culprits for the older CA94 clones, but honestly the fit and fifinish are pretty good to me, of course its still nowhere near a real hk94 but it fits my budget much better.
That being said the lack of a paddle mag release sucks, the cocking tube support is plastic and to me the selector feels cheap and it doesnt click into fire/safe as much as I would like it to. But since it accepts all hk parts than I can replace them with whatever I want, and I intend to. I also think the furniture is junk, but I want an a3 anyhow. It also comes with a warantee if that matters to you.
I haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet ive been busy with my new house but as soon as I get out there I can give you a range report.
I’d wave off. Toad Bailey.
sigh
Another clone not up to M4C.net standards. Thanks for the input, everyone who posted. Much appreciated.
We’ll see if they are able to get into the country first. I’ve been waiting on a 2nd batch for over a year now.
The sad fact is that most clones of FAL’s, AK’s, and HK’s just plain suck…the longer period of time you get away from the ban on importation of barrels and receivers, the worse it gets. US companies that build these things are very small shops that don’t have the capital to invest in manufacturing parts to the same standards as the originals.
Add Todd Bailey, the worlds biggest shyster, fraud, and troll into the mix, and it just doesn’t end well.
Armakraut just put some money down on one, you might want to PM him for details, it was pretty affordable. I don’t know if the dealer has any more.
This is the weapon you want to get if you want to turn it into a carbine with a 16inch barrel. You can buy an american made buttstock and forearm from black market parts. do some checking to see what other american parts you need to ad to make it 922r compliant, but this would be your best bet. They’re Turkish made in an HK licensed factory on HK tooling. The finish is a little glossy, but I have to say overall fit and finish is very, very close to the German HKs. when you’re done it will look like an HK94 at less than half the cost.
link: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct863.aspx
black market part link :http://black-market-parts.3dcartstores.com/MP5-Parts_c_1.html
Thanks!!! Looks like this is what I’m looking for…
Yep, Coharie = Special Weapons.
Get the AT94P and go from there. Here is an in depth overview.
How many did you want? I can hook you up right now.
If you want an HK clone, I would consider:
http://www.dakotatactical.com/
If you know the HK coding system, it should make sense
5x (short…think 53)
3x (rifle)
x4 (9mm)… and so on
There is a lot of info over at HKPro on it. The founder is a member there and is an authority on the SL8/G36 conversion. Some completed pistols have shown up for sale on HKParts.net, and I have seen where he has built barreled upper receivers for forum members, and he does some very fine work. He does NOT use any SW/Cohaire/Bobcat cast receiver nonsense.
So where is he getting his receivers and compliant parts? And why would anyone want one instead of a actual HK contract firearm?
I’m pretty sure he’s using LSC flats, but I could be wrong. Most of what he is making is either for the pistols (which is not subject to 922R if i’m correct), and SBR’s.
The barreled receivers and partially complete guns were done on the customer’s supplied parts…mostly German parts
Personally, I would rather have a bunch of German parts on a decent US made receiver than licensed Turkish parts. I should mention that your budget will be a deciding factor.
Here is a link to some of his work:
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?129955-Dakota-Tactical-D54P-N-(Video-Pics)
For those who don’t know, in the HK community, there is a build called a “34” which is simply a 94-like gun, but uses the longer 93/33 style handguard…thus eliminating the odd-looking 94 proboscis barrel. I’m not connected to this builder in any way, I just feel that he does good work and offers a fairly priced product without having to resort to crap or pay through the nose for the real deal.
Pistols are subject to 922r compliance.
My concern is that HK designs really aren’t intended for the home shop gunsmith. This is why places like Pakistan have HK contract factories. And HK specs aren’t quite as forgiving as a Ak.
I’d much rather start with a correctly speced and assembled receiver and go from there. Many of the MKE parts can be replaced with German so long as you maintain 922r compliance.
But honestly, while POF and MKE aren’t quite Oberndorf quality, they still tend to be much higher quality than US made parts (unfortunately). That is until a company like PTR begins to knock out 9mm parts.
Now to be clear, I’m not trying to disparage Dakota Tactical, and there is no way I could since I’ve never seen an example of their guns. But I do know a little about the difficulties involved with building a gun from a receiver and kit, especially when using a non factory receiver. There is all kinds of stuff that can go wrong.
That said, the 34 project is damn interesting, though I’d prefer a 34k.
ETA: Chopstix Kid is Dakota Tactical.
So that means I’m very familiar with his reputation and he is by most accounts an excellent build. But a chef is only as good as his ingredients and kitchen. I’d like to know what US compliance parts he’s using.
I also wonder if he couldn’t take a 94P and rebuild it into a 34 or 34 k.
Pistols aren’t subject to 922r as far as I know, which is why HK pistols are still coming in and sold without US parts, and Glocks, SIG’s, etc.
Slap a buttstock on one of those pistols with a 16" barrel on it and then yes, you’d need the appropriate # of 922r parts in there.
It’s possible I might be thinking of those stupid “assault pistol” provisions of the now expired ban. But something in my head is telling me those HK pistols come in without problems because they meet a “sporting configuration.”
Take the Draco pistol for example. Does it have a removable muzzle nut on a threaded barrel? Or has it been permanently attached to be importable? I’m asking because I haven’t gotten mine yet.
ETA: While we are at it, I’m also pretty unsure this only applies to imports. If building on a domestic receiver I “think” you can have as many foreign parts as you want. Not 100% sure about that either though.
What I’m figuring out though is there are too damn many stupid, pointless regulations and laws. If you have two identical guns but one has 40% US made parts and the other has no US made parts, if one is legal there is no intelligent reason for the other to not be legal. It is as ridiculous as a law that says red, yellow and orange cars are illegal but all other paint colors are fine.
To the op, it is true that there are much better choices but for the money that ca94 would be a fun shooter. Not everyone has to drop into a warzone. I doubt the average firearms enthusiast will want to spend 1500 on a gun thats marginally better, or 2500 on a custom build. At that point id rather have a true hk94 as I just saw one for 3400 at the last gun show. To me that money would be better spent on a nice 308 rifle, but each to their own.
Steyr,
I’m not trying to start a pissing match, after my last post, I did some checking and pistols are not subject to 922r.
And while I do agree that HK’s are not like an AR in that any Tom, Dick or Harry can tinker in their garage with them, it is not impossible for it to be done. Not only do you need the right tools, you have to have some steady welds to satisfy the HK purist crowd.
Also, I think you are looking to hard into this “HK licensed and contracted” stuff. I will use PTR as an example. PTR, which makes a fine product uses FMP tooling (HK licensed), but somehow, the specs in the receivers still aren’t perfect (my case being the use of OEM HK optic mounts that may/may not fit your PTR as intended). Again, I would much rather give the nod to local smith that has a passion for a platform and builds each gun by hand with German/US compliant parts vs. an overseas company using 2nd and 3rd hand machines and Turkish/Pakistani junk. Opinions may vary on the quality, but long ago the A3 stock I bought from POF is not even in the same area code as a OEM German stock…so to me its junk. And while I don’t share your opinion of the the POF/MKE parts, I will agree that some US-made parts are not up to par either. This is why I would not choose to have an HK 922r clone. But to each his own.
I look at it like the AR receiver. Most of them come from only 3 or 4 sources, but to me a Stag gun will never be a Colt. Again that’s just me.