9mm Subgun Viable for Home Defense?

Instead of comparing a 9mm Subgun to an SBR cambered in 556 in the role of home defense/room clearing, I’d like to know what you guys think in terms of using a suppressed Subgun in that role. More specifically, why or why it isn’t viable for that role. I see a lot of people saying that a 9mm Subgun is nothing but a range toy and with the rising popularity, it’s hard to imagine that since it reigned supreme for so long. Again, I’m specifically asking about a 9mm Subgun, not comparing it to a 556.

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Viable? I mean, it’ll get the job done. It just simply isn’t going to be as effective as a true rifle caliber. A .38 snubbie is a viable home defense gun for the average person, but that doesn’t mean that a Glock 17 with a WML isn’t a better choice, which in turn is superseded by a suppressed PCC generally, which is going to be outmatched by a rifle.

AFAIK, historically, the SMGs got the nod for CQB because they were more reliable the old short rifles; once the shorties got reliable enough, the SMGs got replaced.

It could work, but there are things that could work better. I’ve considered it for my wife, because it could be lighter and shorter, but I’ve heard they still recoil about as much as an AR. My biggest consideration reviles around how quickly I (or she) could get rounds on target.

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I own multiple 5.56 rifles and 9mm PCC.

A 5.56 rifle is what sits besides my bed. I do however carry a 9mm in a back pack for when I need a covert shoulder fired weapon.

Viable? Yes, certainly. A baseball is probably viable. I’m not quite sure why you’d phrase the question like that;if the whole point is viable defense, and if we know thing A is viable, but there’s some question about the viability of thing B, then every point about B is essentially a comparison to A. No?

Anyways, confusion aside, I wouldn’t hesitate to use a PCC to defend my house.

I built a 9mm just for this. Colt SMG mags. It eats every single HP load I’ve ever tried in it but it particularly likes the unicorn +P+ Ranger T. The only malfunction I’ve ever had on it was from Rem 115 JHP bulk from Walmart. It just refuses to run that stuff. If you use Colt pattern mags get the Maglula. Those springs are no joke.

While this argument only has a small window of validity;

Many people have discussed over penetration in urban environments.

for example, short of bedrooms to keep in mind, our closest neighbors is through a set of thick woods on all sides of our property. The likelihood of penetrating an exterior wall and hitting someone else’s property is severely low.

A 5.56 is a stronger round, efficient, and has some known reliable expansion ammo.

With that being said, if I lived in a townhouse, surrounded by people on all sides, a subgun would probably be more in my favor. It’s still able and capable of punching through shite, but not as much as the 5.56.

There are some arguements you could apply based on your environment. But arguments based on comparison of the two, as weapon systems? Nah, the Short AR will out beat it every time. Hell even a true supressed .300 Blk would be an amazing option in regards to SBR with a can.

I keep short-barreled AR under the bed for me. The girlfriend has my CZ Scorpion under her side of the bed. The AR may be better but the Scorpion is better for her and that’s all I care about. A reliable and accurate 9mm carbine being utilized by someone properly trained on it is perfectly viable as a HD option.

I think a 9MM carbine is a good option. I have a USGI M1 Carbine for that role, so never thought to get a PCC for HD. I mean, many people use 9MM, .45 and other caliber pistols for HD, so a PCC would be fine for most people’s needs. It is always good to have an AR back up within reach though.

You realize the 9mm more likely to over penetrate than the 5.56 yes? Seems counter intuitive, but one should not choose 9mm for that reason.

https://www.tactical-life.com/exclusives/9mm-vs-223/

How are you defining viable? If a 9mm handgun is viable for HD, how could a 9mm subgun not be? The Q is, it is the best choice for the job given other options today? It’s generally best to ignore what “a lot of people” say on such topics.

In my case I’m running unsuppressed so the 9mm is a LOT more “palatable” in regards to firing inside the house. With substantial hearing loss already it’s definitely a consideration, at least for me.

I did not know, but after your rhetoric, I could see the tumbling/fragmenting concept occurring when hitting a hard(er) surface such as drywall or beams with 5.56.

I was still under the impression that frangible 9MM would reduce a lot of that.

Either way, I did not apply the fragmentation concept to those ballistics analyzing and am now eating my foot.

Always humbling when encountered, thanks for clarifying where that logic is flawed.

It’s a very common misconception that’s still open to debate, and of course bullet types and choices play a part in all that, but it appears the 5.56 is so light and moving so fast, it tends to fly apart on contact with hard surfaces commonly found in a house. As far as frangibles, that’s a whole other topic but it’s my understanding frangible 9MM are recommended by no one who studies terminal ballistics as a science as they tend to perform very poorly regardless of the claims made of “magic metalo metal hybrid bullets” and the like being marketed. For clarity of this discussion, we are talking about well known and accepted brands/designs in 9mm and or 5.56.

In my experience, the majority of people I know, including shooters are unaware that pistol rounds are more likely to pentrate than a 5.56. They don’t understand how that is possible and ask “why”. I use the Ferrari through a brick wall vs a truck or semi through a brick wall—which loses energy faster and will travel the shortest distance after going through the wall.

Per above, it’s counter intuitive unless you start getting a tad more granular on it, such as your example, but I also find some simply refuse to change their mind over it even when most evidence points to it.

My example usually changes minds of those I am around since most of the people Ihave these discussions with have heavy engineering and physics backgrounds, so they pick up the physics of it. Just not something that on the surface is intuitive. Specialty rounds are obviously the exception.

Thanks for the breakdown;

I had forgotten about that piece of physics when it comes to terminal ballistics.

It’s a weird world of science, just glad we are able to discuss it openly and give some corrections. I can assure you, the concept isn’t lost on me, I was just applying bad logic to the analytical piece of my mind on this topic.

Nonetheless, I also wasn’t aware that frangible ammo was regard with some ilk. I suppose that’s why I have only ever seen them, primarily, used in shoot houses.

I have used both for real, they both work. However your chance of success in the shortest period of time will always be on the side of the 5.56. Have both calibers had the proverbial 1 shot stop of course. But a rifle round is just so much more powerful and destructive on humans’.

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