7th Circuit Court of Appeals Says 2A Applies Outside The Home - IL CCW to Follow?

[RyanB]

@lifebreath

At this point, the Court of Appeals has decided the issue, and the state MUST allow concealed carry in a form consistent with the court’s ruling. The state has 180 days to draft legislation before the order is remanded back to the lower court to implement.

You missed the point.

You’re getting concealed carry, yes. Without action by the legislature it will not require a permit. The legislature could however pass a shall or may issue statute. I am told that the legislature has the votes for shall issue but Madigan won’t allow a vote. So now the shall issue faction can write the law or go eyeball to eyeball blocking may issue laws until you get shall issue or constitutional carry.

[SPARTAN_HOPLITE_ARMS]

@danish

I am not getting too excited yet. Who knows what kind of bs ccw law they come up with and how hard it will be for a citizen to get a permit. This is still Illinois…

If there anywhere near as competent as the wonderful dimwits of NY, they’ll just copy and paste NYC’s laws and claim you can exercise your rights while denying every carry permit application for not showing proof of need. See NY’s recent circuit court appeal decision and you’ll know what I mean.

[R0CKETMAN]

I’ve bow hunted in Illinois multiple times each of the last seven years. Every time I cross the state line I’m not only reminded of the lack of reciprocity, but the inability of my friends there to CC. We’re talking rural farm country.

Congrats on getting your rights back.

[lifebreath]

@Oreaopla

If there anywhere near as competent as the wonderful dimwits of NY, they’ll just copy and paste NYC’s laws and claim you can exercise your rights while denying every carry permit application for not showing proof of need. See NY’s recent circuit court appeal decision and you’ll know what I mean.

That’s possible, but two factors weigh against it. 1) they don’t have enough votes to force a highly restrictive law through. Furthermore, a bill was introduced earlier in the year that had everyone’s support (both parties and various LE groups), but a couple of votes switched at the last minute. It is likely that this would be used as the basis for a new law. 2) The Court’s ruling, while not outright condemning NY’s laws, spoke against the 2nd District’s ruling that upheld NY’s restrictive laws. Thus, this courts ruling signals to lawmakers that they should not be too restrictive.

As RyanB stated, if a law is not passed in 180 days, the order nullifies the current law. That law defines “unlawful use,” and while in theory, the Illinois legislature could let the court order go into effect without crafting a new law, that’s not going to happen. They have to do something. Also, in my mind, this court ruling gives the anti-gun dems in the state an “out” to go ahead and pass a law, which has continued to be a yearly contentious issue.

Here’s the opinion if anyone wants to read it.

[7th Circuit Court of Appeals Opinion.pdf](http://www.lincolndiagnostics.com/public/doug/guns/2012 IL 7 circuit appeals opinion.pdf)

[polymorpheous]

Way to go neighbors!
I wish you all the best!

[scottryan]

This will get taken to SCOTUS and the outcome will not be in our favor.

Heller vs DC should have never gone to SCOTUS either.

These communist shithole states like Illinois and the people that live their can deal with their own problem. Now their problems will become our problems.