Of course shot placement is important. The point I was making is that extensive testing has shown that different 5.56 rounds are far from similar and a 55 FMJ is simply nowhere as useful as a modern bonded or expanding bullet.
55gr M193 FMJ is still as effective at killing things as it has always been. Is it as good as modern loads? No, but then I never said that. But us it useless? No that’s is just ridiculous, and people who would say that don’t understand the ballistics of the round.
We are not dealing with pistol rounds here people but rifle rounds. So yes people overthink 5.56.
M193 is garbage. Sure it can kill people with proper shot placement but so can .22.
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M193 is garbage? Whatever dude. Many people who actually know what the hell they are talking about will disagree with that idiotic statement. You seem to be in a minority, an extream minority at that regardling M193. Dumbest shit I read all day.
M193 is garbage. Will it work? Yes. Are there much better options for minimal cost? Yes. Can it matter? Experts (fbi, mil, DocGKR) say yes.
193 is inaccurate, offers poor barrier performance and inconsistent terminal ballistics, although I believe m855 is even worse. Its reliable, which is the best it has going for it.
You need to do more reading then… Wake knows his business. You clearly don’t.
When given the choice of the multitude of 5.56 rounds available to the general public (let alone the military) M193 should almost be anyone’s LAST choice in American made ammo. Sierra’s Match King 77 gr BPBT (MK262 from Black Hills, “Razor Core” from IMI, and available in a few other loadings on the shelf) is more accurate by an order of magnitude. Regular M855 displays better penetration for the most common “military ammo” available to the general public and the cost difference is negligible unless you’re buying a huge volume of ammo. If you’re looking for home defense ammo I’m a big fan of Speers 64gr Gold Dot soft point, which is massively better in all ways than M193, though not the market leader against auto glass…
Just where does M193 excel other than being cheap to buy and readily available?
I haven’t seen it mentioned yet but where does MK318 fall in this discussion.
Agree with those before who say M193 is junk. For me it is relegated to shooting on my buddies farm.
M193 has more reliable fragmentation against soft targets then M855 that is known to ice pick. M855 is still better against barriers for sure.
If I am concerned with engaging soft targets within 100 yards, I have the 64gr Speers in my magazines. Beyond that, I am probably going to have MK262 clones.
(And yes, I try to stock quite a variety of ammo in my collection. Don’t get me wrong, I have some M193 for plinking at the range too. I don’t hate cheap and readily available.)
Saying M193 is better than M855 at fragmenting isn’t saying a whole lot since Green Tip was well known to have craptastic terminal ballistics- hence why M855A1 is such a big deal.
Mk318 is probably the best military barrier blind ammo but still not as good as bonded sp iirc.
Fwiw, m855 is terrible against barriers as well. It will punch holes through cinder blocks, but terminal performance through autoglass and sheet metal does not compare to bonded softpoints.
I saw it somewhere before but cannot recall where nor find it but it was a thread that compared the MK318 to it’s civilian counterpart. There is a federal bullet that has the same or similar performance…it might be the Fusion.
Fusion is typically compared to Gold Dot, not sure if 318 is as well or not. While there’s a lot of good stuff out there, I used to stick to Fusion because it was easy to find. I think in the future I’ll have one mag of Fusion as the primary load and then a ton of 262 on hand. There are several manufacturers making that load in bulk and while it’s not the best for barriers it does really well at everything else. I figured enough rounds into the barrier will create a hole for others to go through if it really comes to that.
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Doc made a comment about if he was in military, hed want 318(this was pre-855a1, or during the high-pressure phase).
For Conus use he said he would choose a bonded soft point.
I stock fusion, its cheap, its accurate, it performs well theough barriers, its consistent, and its a good hunting round. Its not the “best” but its performance is close and is readily available.
I think you are talking about Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. Although I don’t think 318 is bonded. I’m not educated enough on this round.
Not directed at Hotrodder, necessarily:
Saying M193 is garbage is a bit much. Its far from the best tool, but two or three rounds in the chest at typical home defense ranges will provide good results. I would take it over a G19 with HST for that role. Again, there are way better options available.
The four rounds at the top of my list, currently: M855a1, BH 77TMK, Barnes 62 or 70, Fusion MSR. All for slightly different reasons. It would be nice if someone made a 5.56 75 Gold Dot. Would replace the Fusion 62, and the 77’s in my use.
Expanding bullets are clearly much better than fragmenting bullets for everything except for small critters. Fragmenting by itself is not reliable.
I had very good results from the IMI 55 grin bullet, I stayed with slow twist barrels and was in a position to hunt them down. I went through multiple barrels through the years but that 55 grain bullet out of my Israeli made commando was great.
Are modern bullets better, sure but if you have a 1 in10 or 1in 12 barrel and 55 grain FMJ bullets don’t lose sleep over it.
Cool necropost. Adds a lot.
Ive heard Clint Smith say about the same, he has no prob with it. Under 300, I dont either.
It’s not the twist being slow. M193 fragments equally inconsistently out of 14, 12, and 7 twist. Except 14 twist in subzero temperatures can tumble.