One good thing for LEO this is more rare than not I think ?
I would hope the LEO here would just figure the guy is looking and not fall into the trap and say no you are not being detained
With how many check points over the 4th and how many folks taping you dont see tons of these or they would be all over !
But like Rosa Parks (spelling) people have to resist to make change check points are a joke and again target innocent people also which is wrong
Sadly orders come from the top down ! So maybe some LEO should stand together refuse to do checkpoints and send the message back the other way and let the public know !
“snot nosed kid looking for attention”…most of us long time M4Cers know that Pat never misses the opportunity to tow the line for the Blue Cocoon, so I’m not shocked at all by his reply on this matter.
One can’t defend the LEOs in the video, or how they handled the situation, so that only leaves calling the citizen a ridiculous name, and blaming him for foolishly knowing his rights, and having the balls to “check” the police state environment he was caught up in.
Personally, I really appreciate what this citizen did, and that video captured one of our society’s biggest threats in perfect detail. It’s amazing that we still allow drug sniffing dogs, and their handlers to operate the way they do currently in society. The perfect loophole to probable cause.
Yip like judges who gave out ilegal wire taps on fox news folks recently
Or our top law man F&F and our gov spying on us ? Fact is courts are part of our gov and they believe in trampling on folks and have done things that are unconstitutional
Also the LEO are not to do what this guy did !
Even if the check point was legal what the LEO did was not and did violate the kids rights !
If the people did not want them they would not be there. Rhetoric like keep repeating the tired quote “those who will give up freedom for safety deserve neither.” Sure a great man said it but its just one great mans opinion its not the word of God. While I understand the concept we have to balance the fact that people also have a right to live. In the real world we balance freedom and safety everyday. Your freedom to drive a car should not make me sacrifice my right to live. That is what drinking and driving does people it kills.
Pat
Do you see me at any point defending the cops in that video or making excuses for their behavior and blatant disregard for that individual’s rights? I do believe I said they were way out of line. Criminally out of line even. But I have this funny feeling a good lawyer has or will contact that young man in the near future and this will be set straight. Should it have happened in the first place? No. Again, cops were brewing for a fight. And chances are, that would have ended the same way no matter how much respect, or disrespect, was given.
I cannot and will not defend their actions. And if you feel I am attempting to, make no mistake about it, they were in the wrong.
You feel that this guy defending his Gid-given, inalienable rights is a “snot noses kid”. At the same token any officer who violates the same is a gov’t-paid thug.
At the end of the day we have two civilians. One sworn to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION and the other working in the private sector. They are JOBS. They are Citizens. The pin head acknowledged that the guy knew he was right and had done nothing wrong and knew the Constitution.
That officer - and the do handler - should be shit canned.
This is how liberty I extinguished - one little incident uncontested at a time.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Pat. You really should.
“One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep.”
Nope
But laugh at folks like you who have to feel better about themselves by trying to pick on others hahahahha sad life ya must live !
instead of childish attack crap how about contribute instead !
I did not violate anyone’s rights and I was not there. You should feel ashamed of yourself for supporting drinking and driving. (This comment is made in jest to show how stupid yours was) Yes this is just a snot nosed kid with a chip on his shoulder. The LEO’s played into his plan unfortunately.
Pat
HO-LEE COW MJOLNIR-
WHY do you “support drinking & driving”?!:D:D
You’re a BAD MAN!!! BAD MAN!!:D:p
POO POO you’ve outdone even yourself this time.:lol:
So if the kid is a snot nosed brat ?
Explain how ?
He did not swear or raise his voice and did comply but he first questioned things ?
His window was rolled down plenty to hear the LEO ?
Or is it the how dare you question being violated !
So if a calm kid who stood up for his rights what does that make the cop ? Who was yelling and violating a innocent persons rights besides the oh he just played into the snot nose kids plan ?
IMHO the cop is stupid and should be fired would you agree ? What would you do if you were cheif ?
That’s fine with me. Again, I wasn’t picking on him. I’ve read his posts before. He’s smart enough to pick up on the usage of punctutation and internet “manners.”
My wife is an LEO and I struggle with all of this myself. I have a personal belief that the integrity and judgement of all LEO officers should be beyond reproach, my wife’s is, but what I have come to realize is that most are not.
Consequently coming from a military family and having served 9 years myself, I value Honor and integrity in an individual above all other traits. I have issues not passing judgment on the others in her platoon, when I attend party’s or hear story’s of how they act. My wife tells me they are “just people” like myself but for some reason I cannot shake the idea that they should be at least as honorable as myself or better. I think a lot of Americans feel this way and it sucks because the officers that due have honor are forced to deal with all the crap and attitude that should be directed at the ones without honor.
