For availabilty cheaper shooting and accurracy to 300-500yds. What would you recomend. I have a Sr556 debating on a complete new ar or just a upper. The 6.5grendal would be my first choice ,but amo is very scarce and expensive. Any input would be welcomed:thank_you2:
.308 is cheaper to shoot right now because of all the surplus ammo on the market. 7.62 NATO will be standard issue for most western armies for a long time to come. 6.8 SPC is cheaper to manufacturer though, and if you are buying quality loadings such as OTM, SP, VMAX,…etc. the 6.8 SPC is about 25% cheaper. The 6.8 SPC is slowly gaining some acceptance. The USMC is looking at the 6.8 again as they don’t seem entirely satisfied with the new 5.56 green combat load. Jordan recently contracted out the 6.8 SPC for governement use, so there is a possibilty of 6.8 surplus ammo from the middle east.
What do you want to do at 500 yards? The 5.56 in 77gr OTM has been doing decently in Afghanistan at 500-600yrds. The 6.8 is a little better overall than the 5.56, and of course the .308 is more effective at all ranges than either. .308 rifles are heavier, they have quite a bit of concussion(blast) in barrels shorter than 20", and they would not be my first choice at close range or home defense. Unless you are a hunter in open country terrain, or are involved in military operations in open country terrain, you really won’t have much use for a rifle that needs to shoot beyond 300m. Unless this is for competition shooting…
Bottom line, if 90% of what you’ll be shooting is under 300yrds, I’d go with 6.8. If you are wanting to shoot game in the 500lb range or you plan on shooting a lot at ranges beyond 300m…then I’d go with .308.
What do you want the bullet to do in the 300-500 yard range? If paper punching, either would do. If hunting then the .308 would be a better choice. I don’t think you’ll find a big difference in the accuracy from either round but my personal feeling is the 6.8 wouldn’t be carrying enough energy to humanely use against a deer at 500 yards though in the right platform with a 95 TTSX you’d still get expansion.
As above, ammo for the .308 is cheaper because of its popularity and the availability of surplus. Also as noted previously, if you want this to do double duty as a close up weapon the 6.8 SPC might be the superior choice.
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The best ubiquitous answer to your question as you posed it is .308.
There several excellent choices available now that will easily meet that range criteria w/ spanking & dirt nap power.
HTH
762/308 would probably work out best. If your looking to keep things “light” the 6.8 would help but again between the 2, not knowing more thenw hat you wrote, 308.
Given your opening criterion, I too would have to recommend 7.62x51mm; that said, I’ve found it hard to warm up to the big boomers myself. (It’s a weight and dimensional issue for me, more than anything else.)
I’ve opted for 6.8x43 because I prefer the standard AR form factor, and appreciate the characteristics of a true intermediate cartridge.
AC
Now, if I could only find it in my heart to shoot some of the expensive ass 6.8 that I have purchased. It hurts every time I put one in a mag. $1, $2, $3, …:eek:
Little cheaper here:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=602
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/68SPC-ammo.php
If the poster was considering the Grendel, then $0.85-$1.00 a shot for 6.8 SPC isn’t so bad.
The .308 is a well established and will be easier to find ammo and mags. It is heavier that weight will give you more power and range than the 6.8.
I like the idea of the 6.8 because works in the standard AR platform with just a switch in most cases of an upper and mags. The 6.8 will be my next upper.
If you have ANY concern about ammo availability, then .308 is a far better choice than 6.8.
That and magazines. That is why I’ve not made the jump yet.
One point I haven’t seen addressed yet. You mentioned you weren’t sure about getting a complete new ar or just a upper.
If you get the 6.8, you can get just an upper, and with new mags, it will function fine using your current lower. If you go with the .308/7.62, you are looking at an all new rifle, in one of several competing standards, as there is much less standardization among .308 sized ARs. As far as I have seen, the Armalite AR10 and the DPMS LR308 style rifles are the two top choices, but neither is compatible with the other in respect to receivers or mags. Also, it seems like most .308 ARs are significantly heavier and more expensive than their 5.56 sized counterparts.
I’m not dissing the .308, as I have a nice Remy 700 in that caliber. Just saying that an AR in that caliber is a whole different game.