They should be taking the $340 from the piece of shit parents who raise and enable the criminals many of us know well in the inner cities today. They’re the real fu*king problem and the democrat’s smoke screen for them has become utterly nauseating.
Whats 340$ in NJ?
Nothing, but I’m referring to the last post before mine.
Ya im not sure what the 340$ is even after reading that maybe a NYC fee or something. Still hope it goes away.
They should support your right to self-protection. Remind them of the old saying “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away”.
This has been answered before, but this amounts to nothing more than ball busting from friend to friend. They all agree I should have right to carry.
Either way, I can’t wait to see what the outcome of all these suits will be, though I am sure it will take a long time.
What pisses me off is that Gov Christie talks a big game about cutting costs in NJ yet how much money is he allowing the NJ Atny Gen to waste fighting this lawsuit?
To humbly bolster what I said above yesterday, from just over the bridge in Chester:
[b]Mayor Wendell Butler told The Associated Press that he was disheartened to arrive at the scene after the shooting and find 13-year-olds from Philadelphia who had come for the party.
“I asked one of them, ‘How did you know about this?’ He said, 'It was on Facebook,”’ Butler said. “I said, ‘Does your mother know where you are?’ It’s like 11 o’clock at night. He tells me she doesn’t care. And I said, 'Oh, my goodness. I guess that’s part of the problem.”’
Last summer, Butler declared a state of emergency…[/b]
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/09/shot-teen-party-suburban-philly-1-dead/?test=latestnews
This is the majority of our actual gun problem in the northeast.
From an email received today:
BELLEVUE, WA - The Second Amendment Foundation has filed suit in federal court in Illinois, challenging the state’s complete prohibition on the carrying of firearms in public for the purpose of self-defense.
The lawsuit alleges that Illinois statutes that completely ban the carrying of handguns for self-defense are “inconsistent with the Second Amendment.” Joining SAF are two private citizens, Michael Moore of Champaign and Charles Hooks of Percy. Named as defendants are Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan and State Police Superintendent Patrick Keen. SAF is represented by attorneys David Jensen and David Sigale. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Central District of Illinois.
“Illinois is currently the only state in the country that imposes a complete prohibition on the carrying of firearms for personal protection by its citizens,” said SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “The state legislature recently stopped, by a thin margin, a concealed carry measure. After the 2008 Heller ruling and last year’s McDonald ruling against the City of Chicago that incorporated the Second Amendment to the states, one would think that Illinois lawmakers would act quickly to comply with court decisions and the constitution.”
“Illinois is the only state in the country that completely prohibits its citizens from carrying guns for self-defense,” Jensen added. “It is incredible that this situation has persisted even in light of the Supreme Court’s rulings in Heller and McDonald, and we look forward to vindicating the rights of the people of Illinois.”
The lawsuit insists this case is not an attempt to force Illinois into some regulatory scheme, but only to clarify that the state’s current regulatory ban on firearms carry is impermissible under the Second Amendment.
“Every other state has some kind of regulatory scenario,” Gottlieb noted. "Even in Wisconsin, where there is no concealed carry statute, the state attorney general has recognized that open carry is legal. Only Illinois makes it statutorily impossible for average private citizens to carry firearms for self-defense.
“Whether Illinois lawmakers like it or not,” he added, “the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is the law of the land. A complete prohibition simply does not pass constitutional muster. The state cannot stick it’s head in the sand and pretend this problem does not exist…”
Thanks for the update I like to keep up on this stuff
From emails received earlier this month:
Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association is funding and supporting a lawsuit that challenges the constitutionality of Illinois complete and total ban on carrying firearms for self-defense outside the home. The case, filed today in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Illinois, is Shepard v. Madigan. The lead plaintiff is church treasurer Mary Shepard; joining her is the Illinois State Rifle Association, the NRAs state affiliate.
Mary Shepard is an Illinois resident and a trained gun owner with no criminal record, who is licensed to carry a concealed handgun in two other states. Because Illinois remains the only state that completely prohibits all law-abiding citizens from carrying firearms for self-defense outside the home, Mary Shepard also became a crime victim. While working as the treasurer of her church, Mrs. Shepard and an 83-year-old co-worker were viciously attacked and beaten by a six-foot-three-inch, 245-pound man with a violent past and a criminal record. Mrs. Shepard and her co-worker were lucky to survive, as each of them suffered major injuries to the head, neck and upper body. Mrs. Shepards injuries required extensive surgery and physical therapy.
Mary Shepard isn’t just a victim of the violent criminal who attacked her," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRAs Institute for Legislative Action. “She is also a victim of anti self-defense activists in the Illinois legislature who have consistently refused to recognize that good people have the right to protect themselves when they go about their everyday business. We’re pleased that the legislature has come closer this year than ever before to changing the law, but close isn’t good enough for Mary Shepard and the thousands of other Illinois residents who are prohibited by statute from defending themselves outside the home.”
Because Illinois statutes prohibit the right to keep and bear arms and the ability to carry handguns in Illinois, they infringe on the right of the people, including Mrs. Shepard, members of the ISRA and other law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution and are thus null and void.
Cox concluded: “In its historic Heller and McDonald decisions, the U.S. Supreme Court made clear that the Second Amendment protects a fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms. Mary Shepard’s story highlights the need for law-abiding citizens to be able to fully exercise their Second Amendment rights. Whether through the legislature or through the courts, we won’t rest until that happens.”
The NRA has also filed or supported the following cases to preserve Second Amendment freedoms across the United States since the historic Heller and McDonald rulings, and expects to file more in the coming months:
Benson v. City of Chicago, challenging Chicago’s unconstitutionally burdensome handgun restrictions;
Heller v. District of Columbia (Heller II), challenging Washington, D.C.'s overly restrictive firearm registration requirements and ban on commonly owned rifles;
Jackson v. City of San Francisco, challenging that city’s gun storage and ammunition regulations;
Jane Doe v. Wilmington Housing Authority, challenging prohibitions on firearms ownership in Delaware public housing;
Jennings v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, challenging the federal law that prohibits law-abiding adults between the ages of 18-20 from buying handguns from licensed dealers;
NRA v. McCraw, challenging Texas’ law that bans issuance of handgun carry permits to 18-20 year old adults; and
Peruta v. City of San Diego, challenging that city’s refusal to issue handgun carry permits to law-abiding applicants.
BELLEVUE, WA - The Second Amendment Foundation announced this morning that it has filed an amended complaint in federal district court in Illinois, challenging the state’s statutory prohibitions on the carrying of handguns for personal protection.
Joining SAF in this amended complaint are Illinois Carry, a volunteer organization founded to educate the public about Illinois gun laws, and two more private citizens, Peggy Fechter of Carmi, and Jon Maier, a resident of Bloomington. Michael Moore of Champaign and Charles Hooks of Percy remain active plaintiffs.
Defendants in the lawsuit are Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan and State Police Superintendent Hiram Grau. SAF is represented by attorneys David Jensen of New York and David Sigale of Glen Ellyn. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Central District of Illinois in Springfield.
The lawsuit alleges that Illinois statutes that completely ban the carrying of handguns for self-defense deprive the plaintiffs of civil rights under color of law, making them “inconsistent with the Second Amendment.”
SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb welcomed the additional plaintiffs, noting, "After the lawsuit was filed on Tuesday, we were overwhelmed by requests to participate. We want to assure everyone who contacted us that they do not need to be actual plaintiffs in order to benefit from a victory.
“SAF truly appreciates the wave of enthusiasm and support from gun owners all over Illinois,” he continued. “But right now we need to move forward and if people would like to support our lawsuit with a tax-exempt contribution to SAF, we would welcome that. We simply cannot take on more plaintiffs at this point and further delay the process.”
From e-mail received 5/26:
BELLEVUE, WA - A New Jersey judge today announced he will issue a gun permit to one of the plaintiffs in a Second Amendment Foundation lawsuit against several New Jersey officials for deprivation of civil rights under color of law, because applicants cannot show a “justifiable need” for a permit.
SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb said today this “clearly indicates that our lawsuit is proper, and we are encouraged to press our case to its conclusion.”
Morris County Superior Court Judge David Ironson announced after a hearing in his courtroom this morning that a permit will be issued to lead plaintiff Jeffrey Muller. His application had languished for six months before Judge Philip Maenza, a defendant in the federal lawsuit, denied the permit without a hearing on the grounds that Muller did not have a “justifiable need.” Muller had been kidnapped by members of a motorcycle gang who threatened to kill him, in a case of mistaken identity. Several suspects have been arrested in that case, and Muller’s application for a permit had gained support from local and state police.
“Finally,” Gottlieb said, “one judge has done the right thing, but it took a federal lawsuit to make it happen. Our other plaintiffs are pushing ahead with the lawsuit so we can put an end to this practice once and for all.”
SAF is joined in the lawsuit by the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, Inc. and several private citizens whose applications for permits to carry have been denied generally on the grounds that they have not shown a “justifiable need.” One of the remaining plaintiffs is a part-time sheriff’s deputy, a second carries large amounts of cash in his private business and another is a civilian employee of the FBI in New Jersey who is fearful of attack from a radical Islamic fundamentalist group. They are represented by attorney David D. Jensen.
“We’re moving forward with this case,” Gottlieb stated, “because there are far too many people just like Jeff Muller whose civil rights have been cavalierly denied on the whims of a judge.”
Interesting.
Although Illinois’ concealed carry bill was defeated in the House in May, a West Side democratic state legislator has suggested after a heated town hall meeting that he may support a measure allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons if it crossed his desk again.
The defeat of Illinois’ concealed carry bill in May, making it the only state in the country without one, was led by Chicago lawmakers, and both former mayor Richard M. Daley and current mayor Rahm Emanuel have taken firm positions on gun control. But Rep. La Shawn Ford, a third-term Democrat, said this week it may be worth breaking from his fellow Chicago lawmakers to better serve his largely black constituency.
“Black people want guns, and I know that sounds bad,” Ford told the Chicago Sun-Times.
What the fuck?
“Black people want guns, and I know that sounds bad,” Ford told the Chicago Sun-Times.
No, it actually doesn’t sound bad. You fucking racist.
Its a black guy saying it, so it can’t be racist. Duh.
Remember, gun controls roots are in Jim Crow’s racism.
That’s the application fee and there is an additional $75 fee for fingerprints. Not to mention many other insane requirements. I forget what the renewal fee is or how often it must be renewed but it’s somewhere around every 2 or 3 years max. I’d lean towards 2 years. Fee is most likely over $100 to renew.
Some lawyers are taking selected 2nd Amendment cases on percentage . Since McDonald , citizens can get cash damages for goober-mints interfering with thier civil rights . It’s like pillaging the enemy for food & treasure – best thing since a privateer’s letter of marque.