The TP makes liberal “feel uncomfortable” and that in itself is an “act of terror”.
This.
And considering the values and visions of both groups, they’re both probably right.
[b]The snide remarks in this thread need to stop, if you do not want this thread to be locked as well.
You can discuss the issue, but the snarky high school drama ends now. [/b]
Here’s the problem. History is our teacher…
We currently have Executive Branch departments specifically looking at conservative groups as potential domestic terrorists to include the DHS memo sent out about the military trained conservative right wing types. Other departments also use their powers to harass, intimidate and coerce conservative groups in order to marginalize and disband them if possible.
And almost every major news service tries to pin every evil act on conservatives. For example the false Facebook page that was created after Gabby Giffords was shot stating the individual was a Tea Party member. Liberals latched onto that and reported it as “truth” before even attempting to ascertain the facts. The media is complicit with the current PTB in attempting to alienate a class of citizens they feel are a threat to their continued power grabbing.
Continued biased reporting is fueling the perception that the Tea Party is “racist” and is a bunch of KKK and Aryan Nation members waiting to go back to lynchings (although not sure how they could be considered that since Allen West and Herman Cain were TP favorites, but don’t tell liberals that since they’re “Uncle Toms”)
Anyway, historically when a sitting government starts to demonize a particular political class or group of people in an attempt to grab continued or absolute power, you end up with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Which to this day is still in dispute as to whether the Nazis started it to increase their numbers in Parliament or it actually was Uncle Joe starting some nonsense.
But in the aftermath, some of those that supported the mass arrests of the communist “threat” ended up in the same boat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
And the general population cheered the perceived “cleansing of the treason” in the German government. So sometimes your enemies really aren’t your enemies and your friends aren’t your friends as long as they perceive you as a threat and are a stepping stone to their power grabs.
Unfortunately, history is a good teacher and far too many people ignore reality smacking them in the face. Are the conditions similar today as to what happened in 1930s Germany?
1930s - Threat to political power was communists and conservatives which were removed or forced out
Today - Threat to political power are grassroots organizations like the Tea Party that can effect a change as seen in the 2010 elections. These groups are demonized and charged as racist, radical and ultra right wing
1930s - Operation Kolibri effectively consolidates power by removing potential political threats to the SS and Nazi party leadership
Today - Major scandals involving high level members of the administration are not reaching the Presidency but are forcing some members out that could threaten the power balance by being too strong or too weak (Hillary Clinton, David Petraeus, Timothy Geithner, et al). The remaining members are loyal to a fault to the political master that put them there (Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano, Jack Lew, et al) and somehow continue to be unaffected by these scandals.
So it’s no wonder the Tea Party is seen as a threat by members that support Obama. The individuals in power continue to demonize, criminalize and marginalize the opposition to their continued power by use of the media and disinformation. And use of government agencies to coerce, investigate and harass these groups to keep them from participating in the democratic process.
Just like the communists in Nazi Germany were victims of government sponsored propaganda and potential false flag operations, the current Tea Party has been a victim of government supported propaganda and attempts have been made to connect them with anything under the sun that happens in this country.
Probably the majority of the members that responded to that survey don’t have the first clue about what the Tea Party is all about. Or just don’t care since they believe whatever they are told. More than likely it’s the latter.
And I’m just waiting for our Reichstag Fire…
Pretty much…
I’m struggling to find some sort of vast left wing conspiracy that you are talking about.
It’s not so much a conspiracy as it’s an unimpeded journey down a path we know doesn’t end well for anyone who values freedom. Only in hindsight is it considered a conspiracy.
Meanwhile: http://www.zerohedge.com/node/475876
Ok… I hate to tell you guys this but things like this may be why people distrust the TEA Party. I’m just saying.
People who distrust the actual Tea Party (not the Fox News portrayal of it) and other libertarian-minded people don’t know enough about history or liberty to hold that view. Just saying.
The only ones who distrust the libertarian movement are those who want to control every aspect of every one else’s lives.
Whose side are you on? Best be sure you pick wisely.
Excellent post and spot on.
This. Everything else you said in this thread is spot on as well.
It’s not a vast left wing conspiracy. It’s a road map of how one political party becomes the dominate force in a country. And it just so happens the current situation in our nation is eerily similar to the situation in 1930s Germany.
How does one political party gain complete power over a country? They marginalize their political opponents by using the media as a propaganda tool (2006, 2008 and 2012 elections) for your own party’s information or rather disinformation. They continue to bombard the public with misconstrued facts and further alienate any potential allies by laying responsibility for any crime that happens at the feet of the opposing political party (Sandy Hook anyone?). And when push comes to shove they can and will sacrifice their own political party members that may be a threat to the power of whomever holds the throne (Hillary).
A side note on Hillary…you think for one minute she has significant health problems that made her resign or were the powers that be marginalizing her to take the fall for Benghazi since she was a threat to the establishment in 2016? You cannot tell me she was solely responsible for everything that transpired that night. That an American Ambassador was under attack and the President didn’t know about it while it was happening? Get effin real. Nobody thinks of politics in six month terms. They are planning the 2016 elections right now and already have a candidate picked. And I’ll be willing to bet it is not Hillary Clinton. And that’s not a conspiracy, but a gut feeling I have.
And for the record, I’m not fond of that harpy at all and she certainly was neck deep in Benghazi. And I personally believe it went higher from there no matter who says what. Protect the President is rule number one and Hillary got left without a chair when the music stopped.
Now back to the point. The situations I describe above have happened in 2006 with Congress changing hands, 2008 with the election of BHO and again in 2012 with the media playing a large part in demonizing the GOP. The only aberration was the 2010 elections when the Tea Party gained enough grass roots support, even in light of the serious opposition against them, to upset the House. And even then by the 2012 elections they had lost their favor among many and had two years of main stream media exposure demonizing them. Which is really the intent of the original post. People have forgotten about what they stood for or have bought into the MSM lies told about them. Somehow they are a greater threat to national security than foreign terror groups? If you happen to be the ones in power they are a threat to, then yeah, suppose so. If they are a threat to your continued existence of welfare, Obamaphones and sucking on the government teet every chance you get, yeah, probably ranking somewhere up there with Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein with a touch of Adolph Hitler for flavor. But otherwise? Just so happens to be a political organization that opposes many of the sitting President’s policies.
So, you effectively create a one party system in a country by destroying your political opposition, by turning the public against it, by only keeping the most loyal members of your own party around and discarding the ones you feel are a threat to the leadership. You ostracize your opposition by creating a situation that inflames the public against them and continually piling the problems of the country at their feet even if they are not at fault. Your propaganda machine, typically your press, goes into overtime to make sure everyone is aware of the wonderful things your leader is doing for you and all the bad stuff that happens is the fault of someone else.
You going to tell me a sitting President with this many scandals and BS associated with his administration can somehow still have a 45% approval rating without having a dynamite propaganda machine? It’s not a conspiracy, it’s the way things are done and how absolute power is achieved on a national level. Hitler did it. Lenin did it. Castro did it. Leaders throughout the modern era have done it. So the real question is not one of conspiracy, but ones that should make people notice if they actually studied history instead of learning about it in movies that never get it right:
Is it happening again before our very eyes? Are we repeating history once again?
In some ways it is. Today’s Socialist don’t want to play withing the rules of the constitution, they want reform, they want to fundamentally change America.
Reformism is generally associated with social democracy and gradualist democratic socialism. Reformism is the belief that socialists should stand in parliamentary elections within capitalist society, and if elected, utilize the machinery of government to pass political and social reforms for the purposes of ameliorating the instabilities and inequities of capitalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#Reform_versus_revolution
Fabian Society or the frog in a boiling pot theory (I’m a simple creature lol)
Problem I see though is many of the changes are not necessarily gradualistic. Health Care for example. While it is gradual in the fact it has taken several years to implement and the shock has more or less worn off (or maybe attention was diverted into other areas in the meantime), but it was more of a quick turn in the social paradigm rather than a gradual shift in the system through minor changes.
Gun control would be an example of the reformism that the DNC has been good at. The government has been gradually implementing changes since 1934, and the latest rounds are just a continuation of same although mostly at a State level.
Problem is, the current administration doesn’t really have a comfortable medium so to speak. It’s either one extreme or a slight change. There really is no predictable pattern in what comes up next. So it’s hard to say they are reformist when they pull things like the NDAA 2012 or Obamacare. Yes, I’m aware Congress passed NDAA 2012, but that was a pretty significant shift in policy that the Administration could have vetoed. But you have slight shifts in things like the TSA or even additional government regulations like the ITAR fees for Type 07 FFL’s. A little bit of gradualism at work there too.
So there really is no predictable pattern these days coming out of Washington. You could say their ultimate goals are in fact a conspiracy to change the bedrock principles this country was founded on which is ultimately true, but I’m not sure the poster was implying that type of conspiracy. At least I didn’t take it that way. He can correct me if I’m wrong.
Forgot about Fabianism, so thanks for reminding me to dig back in and research a little more.
Fair enough.
The Tea party isn’t a libertarian movement.
Not surprised at all.
The Tea Party and the Libertarian/Liberty movement IS a huge threat to the Obama voter’s way of life.
This movement wants to restrict the growth and scope of govt. and stop that wasteful spending.
THAT is seen by Obama voters…who are big govt. dependent class sorts…as a terrorist styled movement that threatens their way of life.
Who really is surprised at this? I am not.
-brickboy240
I’ll be the judge of that.