Would it be wrong to choose something like 22 WMR rather than the usual 25acp, 32acp, 380acp? My only arguement is that 22 wmr is half the price or less than the acp cartridges(more practice). I’m not familiar with the 22 wmr or the acp’s energy/lethality/etc, either.
Basically, is the 22 wmr comparable or worse than the acp rounds? Or are they all inconsistant and doesn’t matter which is chosen?
Not sure exactly what you want to know. If you want cheap you can’t beat 22lr. The 22 wmr I’ve seen is priced similarly to 9mm, which would probably be a better choice for self defense.
Here’s a link to some folks that did some testing. Dunno if you could call it definitive but it gives you some idea what’s going on.
Not sure exactly what you want to know
I just wanted to know if 22 wmr is less or equally as efficient as 32acp and 380acp, for small ultra concealable pocket pistols.
Brassfetcher was a bit helpful. Seems like a 22 wmr user is better off with fmj just like 32’s and 380’s.
If you want cheap you can’t beat 22lr. The 22 wmr I’ve seen is priced similarly to 9mm
Yes, but rounds like the 32 and 380 acp are as high or higher than 45acp prices.:help:
Hence, the interest in 22 wmr.
Most of the wound ballistic folks I’ve known have said in small caliber handguns, it doesn’t really matter, just use what you can shoot well.
Having said that, I think what might work against .22 mag is a). it’s a rimfire, with all of the reliability issues that rimfires can have, and b). out of a 2" barrel, it’s really friggin loud.
But it is interesting to see that the .22 mag solids penetrated 14.6" in bare gel.
22wmr loadings are tailored more toward rifles than short barrelauto’s or revolvers.
i would like to see a 22wmr round developed for the kel tec pmr30
What would you want the round to do?
45-50 grn solid in the 1800fps from the shorter pistol barrel.
i know thats a pipe dream because its gonna be a hotter round.
30 rounds of that in a semi auto would make me smile:D
Let me know when you find that one…I’ll take 10 cases…
ive also wondered about a heavy subsonic in 22wmr not sure if anyone does one.
single load a 80grn smk…
So you want a rimfire FN FiveSeven. I don’t quite see the point. Rimmed cartridges often suffer reliability issues in magazines, and the rimfire configuration further compromises reliability. Larger ACP calibers especially .380 can take advantage of bullets with much larger cross sections to crush more tissue. If limited to BUG calibers with FMJ projectiles I would pick the largest caliber possible.
i agree on the reliability issue and ballistics.
cost of ammo would be the same.
cost of the weapon would be a significant difference.
is the fn limited to 20 round mags if so then an xdm would be my choice.
back to the wmr i would like 30 rounds in a package the size of the keltec.
i think if an ammo manufacturer did work with the 22 wmr and come up with better ballistics from a pistol it would sell if marketed properly.
How about lengthening the .25 ACP case to give the cartridge the same COL as the .22 WMR. You can get more velocity with the same pressure due to the larger cross sectional area, and there is no ignition reliability issue. You may end up sacrificing a bit of magazine capacity due to the larger case diameter, but everything is a compromise.
While the .22mag is a decent round, there are no pocket pistols for it besides the mini revolvers, and these are a bad idea for defensive use IMHO.
The semi-auto pistols in this round that I have seen are unreliable.
The .25 or .22lr are both better choices.
Some one tried that many years ago. So many years ago that my poor mind can’t dredge out any details. It was not commercially successful.
The 7mm Penna is sort of the same concept.
Usually such ideas are too expensive to be readily accepted. They provide only marginal benefits, but do cost much more.
How about a small J frame Revolver? For the last 5-6 years I’ve more than occassionally used a S&W 351PD: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764925_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y.
It’s stupid light (like 13oz. - loaded) and with Hogue rubber grips it fits my small-med. sided hands perfectly. It shoots right where I point it at 25 ft. It hides in a Roy Baker pancake on the hip of my 155lb. frame like it isn’t even there.
OK. Nothing’s free. It’s really only a 22 and not perfect for every situation. There is considerable muzzle blast/flame and the report is friggin’ LOUD! It’s specific purpose is my “better than no gun” gun - what I cary when I’d otherwise have to go unarmed. It carries 7 rounds of the best 22 Mag. ammo I could find: 34gr. Winchester Supreme 22 Mag. in the wheel. 20 more rounds in speed strips if needed. http://www.winchester.com/Products/rimfire-ammunition/supreme/jhp/Pages/default.aspx
Here is a pretty good review of the little J frame revolver: http://digitalperspective.org/smith351pd.aspx
Overall, I don’t feel under-gunned with a 22 Mag. in this revolver as I generally carry it rather than nothing. Understand, a large or medium frame autoloader is many times not an option for me. Under the right conditions and fully knowing it’s limitations, I choose this combination with the appropriate level of confidence.
Well, rule #1 of gunfighting does say “Have a Gun”, so if it’s that or nothing, you’re certainly better off with 7 shots instead of none. There were definitely times when I was the only cop in the bar with a gun, (including once where that was a very good thing…), because I was carrying something small, and every other guy had left his tactically superior weapon in his car… :rolleyes:
I recently was asked to recommend a gun for someone who is afraid of recoil. I thought about one of the Smith .22 mags, specifically the new 351 C’s, but between the blast, noise level, and the harder trigger pulls the rimfires usually have, I suggested one of the .32 S&W revolvers, if a .38 with wadcutters was really too much. Probably 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
Ammo wise, instead of the lighter more frangible hollowpoints, maybe you’d be better off with the heaviest solid you can find. In the tiny calibers, all you’re trying to do is poke a hole in something that will bleed enough to maybe disconnect the fight. Just a thought.
In the same train of thought, I remember reading somewhere that .22 mag is loaded with powders that are optimized for use in a rifle barrel. I wonder if they could load a handgun specific .22 mag, with a faster burning powder, and a heavier bullet designed around self defense performance, rather than blowing up ground squirrels.
Dunno, probably a silly idea, but who knows?
I purposely left out the .22mag J frame, due to the fact that you are better off with either the .32 or .38 caliber guns in that size, not only for improved wound ballistics, but ignition reliability and because every .22mag J frame I have seen has a very heavy trigger.
I really believe that you would be better off with .38 wadcutters for low recoil, or a .32H&R mag, or even the 317 in .22lr as you can get the trigger tuned down a bit and buy match ammo that is much more reliable when it comes to rimfire ignition.
A centerfire cartridge similar to what you proposed, was developed in 1880…
5.75 MM Velo Dog Revolver
