Im concidering buying two 1-6 Razor HDs for my two rifles.
One of them is my general purpose HD, training rifle.
The other is a 16" BCM SS that I like to make small groups with but want to keep as a backup to the first.
I currently have a 1-4 on the BCM and need a bit more magnification and better glass. My range only goes to 300 so I’m thinking a 2.5-10 would be to much and would make the rifle less useable as a backup to the first. I think the 1-6 would give me what I’m looking for without over scoping the distance I can shoot to.
For the general purpose rifle I find that the T2 has a bluish tint and the dot, no matter what power setting, blooms to much for me to clearly see what I’m shooting at. I’m effective with it but it’s not optimal for me. My eyes suck by the way.
I feel like the Razor would give me a lot of the same abilities as the aimpoint but help with a clear sight picture and add some magnification to the rifle wouldn’t really hurt.
It doesn’t seem right to me that the same optic would do well for two very different purposes and I’m worried I’m missing something here. Should I be looking at other options?
Help a brother out!
I’ve never tried one, but would suggest that you try one before buying two. It would suck to pay for two and find out you don’t like them, are you jumping on a sale?
I know LPVs work for me. On paper that scope seems like it accomplishes the goals of both those rifles. Which it what seems odd.
I think in going to buy one at first to see how well it does perform.
The problem I have with reviews for LPV scopes is they are mostly by gun gamers. I know they run their shit hard but none will have the durability of an aimpoint or even close without a huge, huge price tag.
“It doesn’t seem right to me that the same optic would do well for two very different purposes and I’m worried I’m missing something here”
You are missing a couple of things… A LPV will never be as fast as a RDS. You are up against the eye box with the scope. The RDS doesn’t have one. The RDS will never allow as accurate shot placement as a magnified optic at 300 yds. If I were in your shoes I would keep the T2 on the HD rifle. If the tint and bloom bother you at HD distances you are spending too much time looking at the dot and not the target. For the semi precision rifle I’d do the 2.5x10.
What I try to do in my home is pick small objects and pull them up in my sights quickly to see how much the bloom really effects me. Man size targets obviosly within my home would be no issue. My problem is I pretty much can’t see anything of detail through an aimpoint. Mostly just a bright bloom of light to cast in the direction I want it to. At the range, hitting clays at 15 yards can be a challenge because I really can’t get much of a sight picture at all through the aimpoint.
If I slow down and focus I have no issue. That’s when I realized an aimpoint probably just wasn’t for me.
I have the feeling putting a 2.5-10 would limit the capabilities of the rifle to long range work, and in reality 300 yards or so just isn’t that long range to build a rifle focused for that purpose even though it’s more fun.
When I was younger I’d hit the 500 yard qual targets all day with irons. I thought my eyes sucked then…
As a frame of reference for my experience, I have never used a 2.5-10 or a 1-6. I have a lot of time behind a t1 and t2, 1-4, TA31 Acog, and irons.
Just for grins flip the front cap down on the T2 so you can’t see through it. Mock engage a target or two around the house and report back. You don’t need to see through it for it to work.
How well it works can depend on the effect of phoria. You may find that the POI when using an optic as an OEG is significantly off if zero’d looking through the optic. If the optic is an OEG (like the old Armson OEG) to begin with, then not as much. I’ve been amazed at how much my POI was off when I covered the front lens of my T1 and tried it out as an OEG.
With all respect… How much POI change are you talking about 10-15 yards?? I would think it could be no more than the distance between your eyes at point blank range and smaller as the distance to the target increases. How does the shift compare to being at the edge of the eye box with a true 0 power scope?? I would think being at the edge of the box with a scope the shift would be the opposite… Less shift at close range and more as the range increases. I ask the OP to block the front of his T2 because I think he is trying to aim with the dot instead of looking at the target with both eyes open.
I covered the front so my right eye couldn’t actually see through it. It’s interesting how that actually works.
It’s not hard to get on target but it’s more difficult than actually focusing through the sight.
I find it crazy to think people see a crisp dot through these things. I see a big bright asterisk. I didn’t even realize that wasn’t normal until a few years ago.
It does look better through polarized prescription sunglasses. I don’t wear glasses on a daily basis even though I probably should.
Could be enough to miss a head shot. I was honestly taken aback at the difference. More than a foot for me at 25 yards. It’d be different for everyone. I understand what you were trying to get the OP to do - that’s good for getting someone used to using both eyes. But if you actually have to use it that way (say for example the front lens of your aimpoint is completely caked in mud), it’s good to be aware of a potential offset due to phoria.
I guess what it all boils down to is… The OP is trying to convince himself that a one by whatever scope can do any and everything a RDS would do. Wrong! Even considering the tint and bloom what would you rather take to clear a room? What would you take to plug a rabbit for dinner? I know what I would take based on the fact that the rabbit probably won’t be shooting back!
That’s not the case at all. While searching for “duty” quality solutions to the problem I have and taking into consideration the purpose of both the rifles it seemed to point to the same optic. Which I thought didn’t sound right.
I know that an RDS is faster and understand why.
A Porche is faster than a Camry but if you can’t drive a stick it doesn’t matter.
I found a killer deal on a like new Razor gen 2 in a larue mount for under 1k. Im going to run that on my rifles and see if it fits the bill for either.
I know there’s a lot of guys who can’t use aimpoints and I’m curious what the best solution for that is.