That’s ridiculous. Of course, if you spend all your te putting out little fires (dirty pistols) you can say you don’t have time to deal with the real issues (people who miss or are just plain unsafe).
I have found a direct correlation between amount of actual shooting and lack of anal retentive, obsessive cleaning.
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My point is some people confuse this. I heard two guys at an IDPA match talking about 1000+ rounds through their carry gun without cleaning . I would never chance anything like that.
That’s nothing to a properly maintained modern service pistol. Try it and see for yourself. It’s not going to blow up or malfunction.
I’m just trying to figure out why? Its great to know that my M&P will go that long and still function, but whats the reasoning in letting it go that long?
I have. It works. I’m not going to carry a dirty gun.
There is an AR and a 1911 in my safe right now with over 500 rounds and counting fired without cleaning. However, my carry/HD gun is clean. I don’t get the logic, sorry.
I’m wondering if the SEALs on the Bin Laden Mission(or any mission)left their base with clean or dirty weapons:confused:
As to the OP, I’m glad to see more evidence the M&P is a reliable platform. I have a 45 on order and will probably fire 1000 rounds prior to its first cleaning. If I’m going to carry it, it will be clean.
Well, it’s not an Internet gun discussion without invoking the gods of spec ops.
It was on the news as I was typing but the analogy is valid, nice deflection though.
Highly trained troops would not knowingly go into harms way with dirty weapons.
Maybe if you have never trained with or have been trained by the spec ops types. I can name at least Tier One trainers on this very forum that don’t worry about cleaning a personally owned weapon with one or even a few range sessions through it.
I know what my pistol is capable of and do eyeball the innards every few hundred rounds but busting out chemicals and wasting my time cleaning every time I shoot (1-2 times a week) is asinine. It’s almost like some sort of weird ritual people go through in order to make themselves feel better that they’ve paid their penance.
Or you could obsess about having a spotless barrel and fresh lube. Beats spending time dry firing or spending time with your loved ones, I guess.
I clean by blasting the the whole weapon with non chlorinated brake cleaner, running a few patches through the bore, and relubing. I’m due, I’m over 4k rounds without fresh lube or cleaning now on my carry/competition gun. No malfunctions.
1- the post was about 1500 rounds
2- does this trainer go into harms way with a dirty weapon or just training?
I was referring to their personal, carry, and training weapons.
What data do you have that proves that 1000 or 1500 rounds is the danger zone for carry weapons? Which weapons specifically?
Just to play devils advocate, what info shows that a dirty gun is as reliable as a clean one? Sure they CAN be but, I’m sure a clean gun will always outperform a dirty one.
None needed since this is a debate of theory rather that stats…but are you infering the chance of a malfunction is equal between a clean weapon and one with 1500 rounds?
Until a malfunction occurs and we establish with some degree of certainty that said malfunction was because of filth, there’s literally no way of knowing.
My point is not to neglect your weapon but to rather get away from the silly waste of time of cleaning your weapon every time you shoot.
If anyone in this thread wants to run a postal match with their spotlessly clean, oh-so-beloved pistol and me and my dirty 21 yr old Glock I’m game. Find a third party to name the drills. We’ll see if your time spent worshipping at the alter of chemicals and pistols helps you shoot yours better.
Emphasis on weapons cleaning may be related to universal service in WW2 and use of corrosive ammo. Only .30 carbine ammo was non-corrrosive, and some lots of other calibers used corrosive primers until the early 1950’s. So, cleaning small arms has been a really big deal for decades and continues to be for training sergeants and other range staff. In one sense, it’s a mindset that has been passed down. I inherited it but have eased up somewhat.
Sure-sure, or pretty sure?
Because I saw no difference in 50 yard shots after 1100 rounds vs. clean and lubed.
The question is, have you ever tried it to know? Because I have.
I don’t know if they were clean or dirty, but neither do you…
well I know some people that are very anal about keeping their weapon white glove…But in modern service pistols Im with Lebowski on this, in the past few weeks I’m coming off of two weekends of training and some IDPA fired almost 3k and it (m&p9) hasnt been cleaned…I cleaned it before the class on the first weekend and I have been carrying the pistol as well
The most proven reliable weapon has been test fired since it’s last disassembly and cleaning. I’d expect them to have a bit of fouling and adequate lube. 
I thought about it, and I did take time during the day after I qualified last time to clean and lube it. I guess because I didn’t use the dental pics, etc. it wasn’t clean enough so I heard about it. :eek: