Ok guys, I’m on the fence on what to get for a 10.5 pistol build. Help me out! I’ve read all the reviews, they are all functional but I want some M4C people’s opinions!
I’m looking to push as much sound / pressure forward as possible. I always shoot with muffs, but damn if AR-Pistols aren’t loud as heck!
Oh and sexy pictures of your Flash/Comp/Brake are welcome!
Well you are asking for a comparison of apples to oranges. What do you NEED from your 10.5 barrel.
If you need flash reduction, an a2 or AAC blackout.
If you decide you don’t like the concussion, a Claymore/pig/etc
If you want a comp, any of the comps will do, but will tear your ears apart.
If you want to move the blast forward, the only options are something like the claymore, pig, ferans etc. IMO claymore is best in class due to weight alone. Pig is best if your gun isn’t cycling fine but adds a lot of length, and in that case why not run a longer barrel to begin with.
I’m mostly looking for peoples opinions on the ones I listed, and if they are happy with their experiences with them, or if they have use multiple on the poll, which one they liked better.
Have experience with all but the claymore.
The pig is OK, but very heavy and long. Might as well run a 12.5" with an A2.
FSC556 provides good recoil reduction, but its LOUD and provides almost no flash suppression .
A2 is your best bet. Good flash suppression, good recoil mitigation. Not overly obnoxious. The battle comp is up there but still seriously loud on a barrel that short.
I have tried all you have listed and more, on my 10.3 barrel, and that is the reason I answered like I did. This is one thing that opinions will greatly differ due to the concussion etc of it.
I have an a2 on right now. It’s fine but still blinding at night, particularly because I’m using some ammo that tends to make more flash anyways.
I won’t go into my opinions about a brake, especially one that costs over 100$, as this is something you need to figure out on your own. Going off someones opinion on a very expensive muzzle device that increases noise on an already extremely loud setup is a little tarded.
I don’t like one better than the other because they all sort of suck on a 10.3/5 barrel. A good flash hider works if you want flash supression but doesn’t do squat for much otherwise. Brakes work, but good grief they are loud, which throws back to the point of using a linear comp, but then throw fireballs so you are back to the blinding nature of it. You just can’t win on such a short barrel IMO and have to find the best compromise for what YOU need.
If you really want my opinion, just throw an a2 on and be done with it. You will never really truly be happy most likely with a muzzle device on such a short barrel that you may as well just get a 6$ a2 and spend the money elsewhere.
Exactly. Length and weight make it pointless. The new Pig coming out covers weight better but still, un needed length. I have a pig for winter time, and that is the ONLY time it gets used (-30f weather). Might as well just use a longer barrel and a2, blackout etc rather than mess with long muzzle devices.
Couldn’t agree more on the a2 also just due to cost. Like 6$ for an a2. No reason to spend much time on this thought. If a2 is too loud, claymore it. Basically the only 2 practical devices for short barrels both function, cost, and weight wise.
I like the FSC556 as a brake on my 16" guns but it’s just too loud on a short barrel. My AR pistol sports an A2 birdcage and it seems to be simple but effective for an SBR.
I have shied away from putting any type of brake or comp on mine, but I am actually curious if anyone has run a BCM comp on an SBR and how that has been?
I have. I currently have the a2 on like mentioned if that says anything. My BCM resides on a diff build.
Pws triad looks to be the best of both worlds in terms of flash reduction and muzzle rise without increased blast.
I have a Troy Claymore on my 10.5 5.56 and a Simple Threaded Device on my 300aac 10.5… Both do a great job of directing the flash and sound forward… The Claymore has more of a outwardly threatening appearance while the STD is understated look and greatly reduces the FLASH… Most of the time I hate STD’s :o but I will make an exception for this one. Photos borrowed from the web…
Here is the STD description from his Web Site:
The STD combines the noise reduction benefits of other in-line flash suppressors with the small size of the A2. At under half the weight of other such devices, you no longer have to suffer with additional weight and length to gain the benefits of this style flash suppressor - regardless of how short your barrel is.
The STD was designed for hunters, by a hunter. Jim was tired of losing his night vision when shooting in low light, and equally tired of having his ears hurt when the shot was fired without ear plugs. Many other designs were fielded before finally going back to the drawing board—literally; starting over from scratch with the K.I.S.S. principle. Keep It Simple, Stupid. When he grabbed his note pad to sketch out a quick blueprint for a thread protector he didn’t stop at that, kept drawing, and the STD’s concept was born.
By changing the way the gasses are introduced to the atmosphere, the flash signature out of a STD is greatly diminished, more than any other comparable product available today short of a NFA regulated device. A quick look at in-line “compensators” on Youtube shows how miserably ineffective they are, until now.
The added benefit of this design, is that it reduces the concussion felt by the shooter and those along side them. Anyone who’s shot at an indoor range knows all too well that being along side a high powered rifle in the next bay can make shooting miserable even with plugs. People who’ve been around the STD’s in that same situation have remarked how pleasant it is - despite shooting some of the shortest barrels that function in the AR pistol platform and full power ammunition.
How well does it work though? We have to shoot in the dark to capture the flash signature on camera. Guns which light up a room without a muzzle device are reduced to the lumen output of a Bic lighter if you can even see the flash - with a 7.5 inch barrel.
Currently available in .223/5.56 with 1/2-28 threads and .30 caliber 5/8-24 designs specifically engineered for the AR platform and proven with extensive live fire testing. Other sizes will be developed in the future.
Simple Threaded Devices is a disabled veteran owned business located in Minnesota.
All of the videos on YouTube don’t show the Troy claymore doing a good job at hiding flash.
Do you ever plan on getting a suppressor? If that is on your horizon and you are thinking about getting a QD suppressor, my recommendation would be not to spend a ton on muzzle devices (go with the A2) as you will end up swapping them out. Ask me how I know.
err because it’s not a flash hider… not even in the slightest sense.
ALL the claymore does is direct the flash/concussion forward. If anything, it greatens flash due to it’s design of focusing the blast in a specific smaller spot (thus making it brighter) than many other comps do.
Noveske Pig hands down. I have used several as the standard on anything under 12". My first encounter was a few years ago, buddy had the Sig 5.56 pistol in 7.5. We shot a mag with the A2. Then installed the Noveske. With the A2 I could feel the muzzle blast standing 4 feet to his left and back 2 foot. It was ruff. Felt like getting slapped in the face. After the Noveske standing in the same spot, it was like someone shooting a 16" AR. Well worth the money. Look at the high quality AR pistol builds, most are sporting the flaming pig. It definitely controls the muzzle blast, and directs it out in front of the shooter.