Official Obama/Federal Gun Control/Federal AWB Discussion Thread

[JoshNC]

Originally Posted by Cohibra45

One other thing, remember it is next to impossible to repeal a law once one is passed. Try to remember the last time a law was repealed!!!!

Prohibition is the only one that comes to mind.

[carbinero]

When the flag is unfurled, all reason is in the trumpet. -Ukrainian proverb

[BAC]

Originally Posted by JoshNC

Prohibition is the only one that comes to mind.

That's an Amendment, which is quite different. Federal laws are repealed and changed all the time; they just aren't publicized. Take a look at any large piece of legislation and it's almost a guarantee that if it's more than a few years old certain provisions will start disappearing or changing.

What would have been correct to say is that it is virtually impossible to repeal something for which a bureaucracy was set up. That the Prohibition Act was repealed at all is a minor miracle... but only minor because most of the regulations remain in place at the local and federal levels. Feel cheated yet?


-B

[10MMGary]

Originally Posted by my65swede@yahoo.com

I for one am very tired and very worried when I read so many posts saying they won’t be able to get the new bill through. Please for all our sake-WTFU!

One is not nessacerily sleeping for merely disagreeing on a time issue. I personally don't think the AWB or whatever is anywhere near a priority for even PE Obama. Of course I realize that he would love to snap his fingers and have all private ownership of firearms eliminated instantly. Fortunately he cannot do that and resources are limited and need great for so many legitimate issues.

I write I vote I give I petition I preach and I pray, however I won't encourage anyone to bust the bank or leverage their folio for the purchase of mags ammo guns or paper gold. For the vast majority the better bet is long lasting consumables and a high quality large amount first aid reserves.

[Gunrider]

10MM You're missing the point entirely. It does not take "time" or "effort" to restate an AWB -- House and senate have already written two almost identical bills -- they both failed this past year because of not enough Democrats and the knowledge that Bush would veto anyway. It is no effort to slap new numbers on these bills, have them ready to go into voting when the new year starts (when dems have larger majorities in NBOTH Houses) and present them to POTUS Obama the day after inauguration -- they said he wants to "hit the round running.' a new AWNB would actually be the SIMPLEST thing for him to do!

Don't get caught standing there holding your dick in February!

[HK45]

You have alot of your facts wrong gunrider but the most obvious is that Bush would veto an AWB. Bush Always said he would sign a new AWB if one came before him. Do some research so your not caught holding your dick.

Originally Posted by Gunrider

10MM You're missing the point entirely. It does not take "time" or "effort" to restate an AWB -- House and senate have already written two almost identical bills -- they both failed this past year because of not enough Democrats and the knowledge that Bush would veto anyway. It is no effort to slap new numbers on these bills, have them ready to go into voting when the new year starts (when dems have larger majorities in NBOTH Houses) and present them to POTUS Obama the day after inauguration -- they said he wants to "hit the round running.' a new AWNB would actually be the SIMPLEST thing for him to do!

Don't get caught standing there holding your dick in February!

[10MMGary]

Originally Posted by Gunrider

10MM You're missing the point entirely. It does not take "time" or "effort" to restate an AWB -- House and senate have already written two almost identical bills -- they both failed this past year because of not enough Democrats and the knowledge that Bush would veto anyway. It is no effort to slap new numbers on these bills, have them ready to go into voting when the new year starts (when dems have larger majorities in NBOTH Houses) and present them to POTUS Obama the day after inauguration -- they said he wants to "hit the round running.' a new AWNB would actually be the SIMPLEST thing for him to do!

Don't get caught standing there holding your dick in February!

I'm not the type to be caught standing doing nothing. However from here on out lets agree to let me worry about my dick and I'll let you worry about yours. BTW President Bush clearly stated he would sign it(weapons ban) if they put it in front of him.

[Littlelebowski]

Originally Posted by HK45

You have alot of your facts wrong gunrider but the most obvious is that Bush would veto an AWB. Bush Always said he would sign a new AWB if one came before him. Do some research so your not caught holding your dick.

So you're saying you think Obama would not sign an AWB, HK45?

[NoBody]

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[buzz_knox]

In 2004, the Dems attached an AWB renewal to the firearms manufacturers protection legislation. The White House publicly called for the provision to be stricken and a clean bill be presented to Bush. Bush had his chance at an AWB and publicly gave it up.

That's one of the facts that tends to be ignored.

[platinumdude]

What normally happens when someone has a firearm on order, but the ban occurs before the gun is finished building or before shipping. The dealer is stuck with the firearm?

[NoBody]

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[platinumdude]

I need about 20 weeks for my FAL order, we will see if I make it or not. Keeping fingers crossed. I could of paid a lot more and got one now from a local store ($500+ more), but I already have other caliber rifles. So not a real big deal if I don't get it.

[NoBody]

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[platinumdude]

Edit: I found this:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ar_to_ban.html


I can't find anything official, just others reposting this. Is there an official record of this?:

"My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."
—Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...-2008-a-5.html

[Honu]

its the national no carry law that scares me !
chances are it wont happen but still scary he is so stupid and ignorant !!!!

if he passes this then his bodyguards and any protection he wants should not be allowed to carry guns !!!!!!

like Rosie who said but I am important and I need it buy you dont !!!!

I bet he would be the same way !!!
my life is important so I am allowed protection but you are not important and you can not protect yourself !!!!

[Iraqgunz]

Please explain rationally how there could be a national "no carry law". There is the issue of the 10th Amendment that would probably hinder that from happening.

Originally Posted by Honu

its the national no carry law that scares me !
chances are it wont happen but still scary he is so stupid and ignorant !!!!

if he passes this then his bodyguards and any protection he wants should not be allowed to carry guns !!!!!!

like Rosie who said but I am important and I need it buy you dont !!!!

I bet he would be the same way !!!
my life is important so I am allowed protection but you are not important and you can not protect yourself !!!!

[Honu]

I cant explain it and doubt it will ever happen but then again I never thought he would win

I guess I just think its scary he wants that and I dont trust a lot of people and I am more thinking out loud in a shaking my head kind of way

but I guess maybe at the ripe old age of 46 I have seen enough to make me shake my head and I know enough older guys who have seen things they never thought would happen ?

reality would be I would think it would end up as it is now a state by state thing

and as I say just cause he wants it does not mean it will come to pass !

but the way he looks at the constitution as a thing we need to change ! that alone is scary that our leaders now want to scrap what got us here and change things

[gbear48]

Platinuimdude's edit is a good read: the link de-bunks the " VPC Fundraiser " quote as a fabricated urban legend.
Pure BS.

Originally Posted by platinumdude

Edit: I found this:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ar_to_ban.html


I can't find anything official, just others reposting this. Is there an official record of this?:

"My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."
—Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...-2008-a-5.html

In past years Mr. Obama may have drank too much Chicago kool-aid , but ( IMO )
he is smart enough to stay away from political suicide.
He is also smart enough to know that Congress will not pass a re-newed AWB.
The votes are not there. It's as simple as that.

Edit to add:

Check out the thread at the usa carry link: 6 pages of fantasy and dithering over a bill with 4 co-sponsors( out of over 400 people in the house).
The bill was dead right there.

Another House AWB bill got around 64 co-sponsors , still a pathetically weak amount of support.

The House ATF reform bill had over 220 co-sponsors. The reform bill was very good for our side.

We are still winning.