SBR, More than one upper

[markm]

So this was a case where the defendant didn't have ANY lower registered as a pistol or SBR (and thus no possible lawful use for the short barreled upper)?

I just want to clarify because that changes the significance of this case.

Yeah. How did ATF come to be involved with this Kent person? I can't remember if I'm familiar with this case or not.

[mtk]

Yeah. How did ATF come to be involved with this Kent person? I can't remember if I'm familiar with this case or not.

I'm not too sure, but I think it was a War on Drugs thing of some sort. No matter really, somehow he ended up in The Man's crosshairs and the system did its thing.

Now, I'm quite certain your reply will be, "I have no reason to bring The Man into my life..." and you'll most likely be quite correct in 99.9% of cases.

It's that 0.01% we're discussing here, which turns out to be about equal to Russian Roulette on the repercussions scale.

[markm]

Now, I'm quite certain your reply will be, "I have no reason to bring The Man into my life..."

No. I don't have any uncommited SBR uppers. The more people that get 10 years in prison, the less people I have to compete with for AR parts and such!

[NetJunkie]

When doing your Form 1 use the 4h box to list other calibers and barrel lengths. Not a big deal. You can only list one on the caliber and barrel length boxes, but you can add others to the 4h box.

[markm]

When doing your Form 1 use the 4h box to list other calibers and barrel lengths. Not a big deal. You can only list one on the caliber and barrel length boxes, but you can add others to the 4h box.

Huh?

I'm going off of memory here.. but doesn't 4h say something along the lines of "other markings that will appear on the firearm"? I.E. your engraving info?

[mtk]

Huh?

I'm going off of memory here.. but doesn't 4h say something along the lines of "other markings that will appear on the firearm"? I.E. your engraving info?

That box is for "other markings," not for the legally-required markings. Yeah, lots of folks put them in there anyway, but there is no need.

If you've got "Molon Labe" engraved on the front of the magwell, you put that info in 4h.

[markm]

That box is for "other markings," not for the legally-required markings. Yeah, lots of folks put them in there anyway, but there is no need.

If you've got "Molon Labe" engraved on the front of the magwell, you put that info in 4h.

In either case, you wouldn't put other barrel lengths and calibers in there. That was my point.

[glockshooter]

Markm,

The box that asks for the other description is specifically where I was instructed by my stores ATF (NFA) examiner told us to placed the other calibers and barral lengths. Hell she even faxed us a copy of an approved form filled out in the manner she instructed. I had gotten numerous approved forms back that were completed in this manner.

But in the end everyone has to do what they find correct. All this nonsense about constructive possession is stupid. Know lets be serious the police ( I am one) can/ could charge you with anything I guess, but you will never be convicted in a court of law for possible intent to make a SBR. It doesn't matter if you ahave a registered lower or not. Remember that an upper in it self is not anything. It is not a gun, knife or any thing else. They are not regulated in any way shape or form.

Some people on this forum are conspiricy therist, and fear mongers. I just have to laugh everytime I read threads that go down this road.

I also know there have been some cases that have involved some of these type situation. Some of them have gone badly for the defendant, but I can assure you there is a lot more to the story if anyone got convicted under these circumstances

Matt

[markm]

Markm,

The box that asks for the other description is specifically where I was instructed by my stores ATF (NFA) examiner told us to placed the other calibers and barral lengths. Hell she even faxed us a copy of an approved form filled out in the manner she instructed. I had gotten numerous approved forms back that were completed in this manner.

I don't doubt this. Nor do I doubt your statement. It's just not what I'd interperate that line to mean. And it sure seems that ATF contradicts itself depending on who within the agency you talk to.

All this nonsense about constructive possession is stupid.

AMEN!!

Some people on this forum are conspiricy therist, and fear mongers. I just have to laugh everytime I read threads that go down this road.

Don't laugh. I had one of these self appointed NFA enforcers threatening to call ATF on me. HERE ON THIS SITE.

I also know there have been some cases that have involved some of these type situation. Some of them have gone badly for the defendant, but I can assure you there is a lot more to the story if anyone got convicted under these circumstances

AMEN, AMEN!!

p.s. You're going to prison for 10 years just for typing this!!!

[NetJunkie]

In either case, you wouldn't put other barrel lengths and calibers in there. That was my point.

As someone else said, yes you do. That's where the ATF examiner said to do it.

Also, FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING THE TRUST ROUTE READ THIS: New rule. You have to engrave the ENTIRE TRUST NAME on the receiver..no abbreviations, period. New rule. My Form 1s got kicked back for that and I talked to my examiner last week. They just had a class by the Technology division..no more abbreviations. No initials...no ABC Trust. Nothing. Doesn't matter what you put in 4h. It has to be the full name.