Bitten by the HK P30L bug

[jesuvuah]

I got the basic sights and want some better ones. I don’t necessarily need night sights but there are a lot more options that way.

I’ve narrowed it down to Mepro, Trijicon HD, Heine, and Wilson/Vickers.

Mepro



Trijicon


Heine


Wilson

I prefer the trijicon HD sights with the yellow outline. I have tried the mepros on a different make of gun and the color is very dull.

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[Waylander]

Do the Trijicon HD XR affect POA/POI? I’d prefer a center mass hold versus the combat/cover-up hold of the typical HK sights.

[ndmiller]

I think LPA makes adjustable sights with fiber optic inserts as well, although I haven't personally used.

[Pappabear]

Sights are really personal and eye sight dependent. I like the Heine and Trijicon sights. And what your training to get done. I ran several Trijicon’s on my HK’s.

PB

[1986s4]

I really like the Trijicon HD's. I even have a HD front on my Colt Government. They're not precision target sights, if that's what you're looking for, but I can hit a full size IPSC steel at 50 meters with those sights installed.

[SteyrAUG]

I remember seeing MAC claim that the VP9 and P30 were super unreliable on Hank Strange's podcast. It was my one millionth confirmation that MAC is a friggin' idiot.

I'd really like to know his basis for that statement. I've kinda known him online since 1999 going back to the days of HK91.com and most of the time he's been on the mark. I know in some of his early vids he gave low marks to some "fan favorite" guns but they really did fail on him on camera, especially that one winter conditions video he did way back. But I've always seen him attempt to be objective, I know lately he's done troll videos like "Why the HK91 sucks" but it ends up being the same "it's not an AR and I don't like the safety and it doesn't have a bolt hold open" nonsense other people spout off, when it fact it's clear that he likes the HK91 and understands how to run that platform effectively.

So I've seen him do that sorta nonsense for clicks and he's working for clicks these days. But I'd really like to hear him support his statement for the VP9 and P30. I'm not crazy about the VP9 because it's little more than HKs version of the Glock and I'm not crazy about striker fired systems, but I know they work. The only P30 I don't like are LEM versions but I know people who are used to them and do well with them. It sorta hurts to admit but in many ways the P30 is superior to the USP but that is to be expected because they could take the existing USP and refine and improve it.

[Ed L.]

I'd really like to know his basis for that statement.

He decided that that the VP9 was not sturdy enough because it failed to function after he stomped it into a mud puddle . I think he had an agenda. I like the VP9 and find that I can shoot it more accurately than just about any gun that I own, and it fits my hand very well. A Glock is like holding a 2x4 in comparison to this gun. The only thing I do not like is the fact that the striker channel is open to allow the striker to serve as a cocked gun indicator. To me this seems like a way to introduce foreign matter into the striker channel:


P30L above a VP9:



Link to an article I wrote on the VP9 that appeared in SWAT Magazine: https://www.swatmag.com/article/heck...d-koch-hk-vp9/

Changes that I had made to my P30, P30L, and HK45:

1. I sent them to Gray Guns and Lazy Wolf guns to have groove or trough in the floor of the trigger guard removed because it tended to pinch my finger during recoil. Not everyone has this problem, but it is enough of an issue that both gunsmithing companies specifically list this service. I do not have the problem with the VP9 because backstrap is a bit higher and deeper, allowing me to grip the gun further up.

2. I had the trigger reset of the P30, the P30L, and the HK45, and HK45C reduced by the above mentioned gunsmiths. All of these guns have a long trigger reset in comparison to many of the other guns that I shoot and I found myself sometimes not letting the trigger out enough to reset after firing a round. It only happened once in a while, but I would rather have it not happen at all with a handgun that I might use for home defense.

[SteyrAUG]

He decided that that the VP9 was not sturdy enough because it failed to function after he stomped it into a mud puddle . I think he had an agenda. I like the VP9 and find that I can shoot it more accurately than just about any gun that I own, and it fits my hand very well. A Glock is like holding a 2x4 in comparison to this gun. The only thing I do not like is the fact that the striker channel is open to allow the striker to serve as a cocked gun indicator. To me this seems like a way to introduce foreign matter into the striker channel:

That's kind of dumb. I can probably get 90% of all handguns made to fail under the right circumstances, it doesn't really make them unreliable. I can also conduct goober tests on YT like running something over on a dirt road with my truck (which usually won't do a damn thing) and make even garbage guns seem reliable.

But people who click links tend not to be critical thinkers and think "Wow, he threw that glock out of an airplane window into a field and it still works....MOST RELIABEL GUN EVAR111111111111" when it's really not. There are many real world factors that are more likely to choke a firearm.

Glocks might have the ergos of a brick, but they are sorta bombproof. I'll always own a 19 but it won't be my regular carry because there are 8 guns that I shoot much, much better with. HKs and Sigs have the rep they have for a reason and it isn't just marketing.

I'm probably not fast enough to need my P30 trigger reset done, that or I've shot so many Beretta's that the P30 is a dream gun compared to that trigger and I don't notice.

[Waylander]

Meh. Some people decide a gun is a POS if it won’t shoot their cheapo plinking ammo reliably. It’s no surprise the “gauntlet” tests and similar get a lot of clicks. I use the term “tests” very loosely.

I know he also did the tests on a USP 45 which passed but can’t find one of him testing the P30.

[SteyrAUG]

Meh. Some people decide a gun is a POS if it won’t shoot their cheapo plinking ammo reliably. It’s no surprise the “gauntlet” tests and similar get a lot of clicks. I use the term “tests” very loosely.

I know he also did the tests on a USP 45 which passed but can’t find one of him testing the P30.

On this stuff I tend to defer to people like Larry Vickers, who really know what a firearm can and cannot do both from a design and real world application understanding.

I think MAC started out honest and sincere but once you put your opinion of the most popular firearms up, you start to run out of content. You also struggle to not have a standard evaluation platform because YT people have short attention spans. They really want to see you dunk a gun in a bucket of gasoline, light it on fire and throw it in the ocean, then load and shoot it to declare "this gun can go anywhere seals can go."

I really wish I had a higher tolerance for stupid people, I'd have an amazing YT channel.

What is the best "end of the world ammo"?

We submerged these rounds in a bathtub over night and they all fired the next day 100% without failure. This is the ONLY survivalist ammo we recommend.

Never mind that NSW swims with loaded mags all the damn time and most ammo is waterproof.