Private citizen takes out Indiana mall shooter (merged thread)

[okie]

The best red dot shooters in the world took longer than 10 minutes to transition from irons to dots. Think about what you're saying here.

Maybe in terms of speed. In terms of just simple marksmanship, the benefits are almost immediate. It's really hard to be precise with short slides due to the sight radius, and the red dot solves that immediately. Basically you can make long range hits as easily with a compact as you would with a long slide with target sights.

[okie]

Wait, I thought it was effortless?

Yes, hitting man sized steel targets that don't move or shoot back is effortless. Putting a full mag in the A zone at 43 yards on a moving target under stress? That's John Wick level shit. If you can't see the massive difference in skill level required between those two things then I can't explain it to you.

[Outlander Systems]

Goalposts so mobile, they’re on Segways.

Yes, hitting man sized steel targets that don't move or shoot back is effortless. Putting a full mag in the A zone at 43 yards on a moving target under stress? That's John Wick level shit. If you can't see the massive difference in skill level required between those two things then I can't explain it to you.

[Waylander]

Every time with these nerds, bro. Every. Single. Time.

First he was in the red dots suck camp now he’s the expert.

[Outlander Systems]

20+ pages on why red dots suck (innagrass)
Hard to buy a 40y shot happened
Can make 50Y+ shots, effortlessly, with red dots that suck
Well, not effortlessly, if the target is a person because there’s a massive skill level disparity between putting rounds on target at 40y and effortlessly putting them on target at 50y+
>you are here<

First he was in the red dots suck camp now he’s the expert.

[Rogue556]

This is somewhat embarrassing, but I haven't shot pistol since January, so it's been at least six months. Admittedly I haven't done much dry fire with pistol either (I know, I know). My main pistol runs an ACRO, but I find myself carrying my VP9 with irons often enough that I decided to run this drill with it instead. I wanted to know how I'd do completely cold (extremely cold in my case) with just irons with my neglected bone stock VP9 covered in pocket lint. I literally pulled into my drive getting home from work, walked inside and grabbed the pistol, shot timer, and a B27 and ran the drill.

Base model HK VP9 with luminescent sights.

40 Yards. (I measured after and was actually at 45 yards, but not a big enough difference to matter).

From concealment.

15 second par time.

10 rounds loaded in the magazine.

Supported or Unsupported (I ran the drill unsupported).

Must score 8/10 rounds on the silhouette.

My results:











Greatest distance between hits was 13" exactly.

Apparently I have a deep subconscious hatred of left handed people.. or I just simply threw my shots right and need to address something in my shooting. (Really though, I think it's the first one).

I know there are people on this forum, likely in this very thread, that can smoke me in this drill. What that kid did was impressive for sure, but as Steyr mentioned, the most impressive part of it all was his ability to recognize the situation for what it was, and jump to action immediately. I think it's more a story of mindset than skill, though both is obviously preferable.

We should make a dedicated thread for this drill, no?

[SteyrAUG]

All I know is Jerry could have probably aced the guy with a 2" Smith snubbie. Not being disparaging of Eli, but damn I've seen so many shooters with training who could have made this shot it isn't even funny. And I'm talking stock G19, no wonder dots. What Eli did is damn impressive, but as others have noted it was his immediate threat recognition, willingness to absolutely get into this game and fighting posture / mindset that were unusual, not his accuracy...although his first shot stop and repeated hits under those conditions are also impressive.

[titsonritz]

40 Yards. (I measured after and was actually at 45 yards, but not a big enough difference to matter).

Distance has been updated to 43 yards so you're right there.

[Univibe]

Anti gun friends parrot anti gun press which says "it's so rare that an armed citizen stops a mass shooting."

I say "true enough; but that's because mass shootings happen in gun free safety zones."

I don't think they get it.

[Outlander Systems]

Solid. Showing:

1) Its absolutely possible
2) Putting your money where your mouth is.

#Resspek

ETA: Made a dedicated thread in the training sub forum.

This is somewhat embarrassing, but I haven't shot pistol since January, so it's been at least six months. Admittedly I haven't done much dry fire with pistol either (I know, I know). My main pistol runs an ACRO, but I find myself carrying my VP9 with irons often enough that I decided to run this drill with it instead. I wanted to know how I'd do completely cold (extremely cold in my case) with just irons with my neglected bone stock VP9 covered in pocket lint. I literally pulled into my drive getting home from work, walked inside and grabbed the pistol, shot timer, and a B27 and ran the drill.

Base model HK VP9 with luminescent sights.

40 Yards. (I measured after and was actually at 45 yards, but not a big enough difference to matter).

From concealment.

15 second par time.

10 rounds loaded in the magazine.

Supported or Unsupported (I ran the drill unsupported).

Must score 8/10 rounds on the silhouette.

My results:











Greatest distance between hits was 13" exactly.

Apparently I have a deep subconscious hatred of left handed people.. or I just simply threw my shots right and need to address something in my shooting. (Really though, I think it's the first one).

I know there are people on this forum, likely in this very thread, that can smoke me in this drill. What that kid did was impressive for sure, but as Steyr mentioned, the most impressive part of it all was his ability to recognize the situation for what it was, and jump to action immediately. I think it's more a story of mindset than skill, though both is obviously preferable.

We should make a dedicated thread for this drill, no?