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    Move back to GI magazines - a journey

    I've been accumulating bits and pieces to make a move back to my preferred magazine setup of GI magazines, Magpul followers, and Magpul Rangerplates. My reasons are varied, but the reality is that my transition to primarily Pmags was mostly accidental. I happened to use a few GI magazines in recent months and was reminded both of how much I like them, but of how much more I like them with the Ranger Plates installed (the ones I used recently lacked them). This is obviously not a cost-saving measure as GI mag + Magpul follower + Ranger Plate > Pmag alone.

    I've begun digging through my old stashes of this and that, mostly magazines that slowly got put away as I used them less and less.

    The first thing of interest that I found was my old stash of "pre-ban" magazines. Since so many of our members of late appear to have come to the AR after the ban ended, this may be a confusing concept. During the ban, one would scrape and scheme to get 20- and 30-round magazines from any source. Most often they were from guys that got out of the military and brought a handful of magazines with them. You'd pay (too much) for them, and the conventional wisdom of the time was you'd swap out the black follower (if so equipped) for the green one (which was current new issue at the time). Then you'd mark it somehow to identify it, and go shoot it to see if it actually worked. I typically replaced the springs too, just to be sure. If it didn't work, many people would invest hours trying to figure out why and fix it, because you couldn't simply go buy more. NIW GI mags, when they came available, were often $30.

    I worked at a gunshop, and and army surplus shop, so we had a fair amount come through. NIW I never opened, and still have a good number of those, but used ones I went through the process outlined above. Below is the result of that, and these are my stash of pre-ban, used, but heavily function-tested and known-reliable magazines. Some of the 20s are actually newer, but the majority are also used. You'll notice that some kept the black followers, and some eventually got Magpul followers.





    This is one of a few parts boxes I came across. I never threw anything out. I even have boxes of the used, shorter, unserviceable springs. At the time everyone assumed the ban would get extended and eventually we'd need these things. I have magazine bodies that never worked too, for the same reason. This is just a collection of followers of various types, with a few Ranger Plates in there too.





    This is what I really wanted to show you guys. Even with one follower vs. another, all magazines are not created equal. The magazine on the left functions 100% while the magazine on the right has intermittent partial failures to feed, typically on odd numbered rounds. You'll notice a very subtle difference between the top of the frontstap and it's distance from the front of the feedlips, as evidenced by the amount of follower you can see. Once you've had something like this happen, you know what to look for, but when you're on the range and all of your magazines look like the ones on the right, it's really hard to figure out what the problem might be.

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    If people find this topic interesting I'll keep coming back and updating with other things I discover as I make this switch. If not I'll let it die down.

    Hopefully we can avoid a big "GI vs. Pmag" internut battle. This process is not at all about "Pmags suck" or anything of the sort. It is simply a personal preference issue and for me it is worth the extra time and cost to get the magazines the way I prefer them.

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    I am interested, I have been doing the same thing. I like the GI mags better for various reasons.

    I did do something different though. I sold my pre-ban mags to guys in ban states for the price of replacement NHMTG mags. I remember what it used to be like scrounging for pre-ban mags.

    I haven't done any of the upgrades that you have with Range plates or Magpul followers and I would be interested in your journey.

    Thanks again.

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    From the time I was in the Army back in the 80's until now I have never had a problem with GI mags and have never felt the need to change to a different mag. Plus when you find them for about 5 bucks a piece sometimes, you can't go wrong.

    I have a wide assortment of 20's and 30's. I have no plastic mags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow Hunter View Post
    I did do something different though. I sold my pre-ban mags to guys in ban states for the price of replacement NHMTG mags. I remember what it used to be like scrounging for pre-ban mags.
    I have thought about doing this in the past, even for a profit, but until today I was unsure where these magazines were. I may follow your lead though if someone needs them.

    I'll also have to check the date codes. I suspect some of these may have fallen into the "not pre-ban but still GI used" category due to the way I came by most of them working at the shop. The owners would often turn down magazines dated after the ban because there wasn't much we could do with them in that environment.

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    This sounds good. How about adding up a tally of how many Labelle, Adventureline, Parsons, Colt and Center Industries mags you have in the mix?? I have one or 2 marked Adventureline, one Center Ind, a battered yet functional Parsons and maybe one Labelle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcvet View Post
    My next purchase will be a ten pack of aluminum 30 round mags with may pull followers. I've been eying them from a few distributors for around $85.
    Just pay careful attention to my third pic. That problem magazine is an allegedly "GI contract" magazine, from a very reputable supplier, who in fairness agreed to take them all back and replace them, which I didn't do because I don't have the OEM floorplates and followers for them. But I'm only buying NHMTG GI mags myself right now.

    I've never used the ranger plates but have used the original magpul bottoms.

    What is it you like about the ranger base plates? They look more compact than the old school pulls.
    It's a variety of things. First is that I have not discovered a single downside other than the cost. The still fit in all the same pouches and cans I have, still function the same, etc. I'm a monopod-er with the magazines and the Rangers give me more traction for that on concrete and equal traction on soft surfaces. They give me something to hang the mags on if needed, and make it easier to get magazines out of places they may be stuck, from ammo cans, to pouches, to magwells.

    Quote Originally Posted by duece71 View Post
    This sounds good. How about adding up a tally of how many Labelle, Adventureline, Parsons, Colt and Center Industries mags you have in the mix?? I have one or 2 marked Adventureline, one Center Ind, a battered yet functional Parsons and maybe one Labelle.
    It may be interesting. I already jammed the pre-ban box back in the closet though, so it's unlikely to happen anytime soon. I'm going to focus instead on getting the new magazines sorted, parts changed out, numbering them, and getting them into service/rotation, and boxing up everything else.

    US Grunt Gear made me the 10 mag purse and I just had him make me a second. My goal is to have enough magazines spec'd to my liking and all function-checked to fill both purses as well as an ammo can I keep with a total of 24 magazines: 20 loaded with XM193 and 4 loaded with BH 77 grain, not to mention a few loose that live in chest rigs, belts, and other locations. So ultimately I'm going to need ~50 new magazines to replace the rotation I currently have in plastic mags. I'm halfway there now on the new NHMTGs.

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    I think it was here where I discussed this topic in a thread. Almost a year ago now I made the switch back to USGI mags as my primary mags. I still have a lot of PMAGS but I also do the USGI mags w/magpul follower and Magpul USGI Ranger Plates. I like the Ranger Plates and the follower is just added insurance. Like you mention the set up is not economical but it is my preference.

    The following might be considered nit picking and for many shooters, they may never even realize these quirks that started to bother me. For myself, I really did not like the way in which the PMAGS pulled from any of my various types of mag pouches, just not a slick feeling pull. I also did not like the way in which they dropped from the weapon. I am not a big "flick it" or "snatch it" out of the weapon type. Again these are minor things to many but for myself it was enough to move back to USGI's. I am supplied with Colt USGI's and that is what I primarily use.

    All of my armor and working rigs carry USGI's.


    Lucky #7 is the mag that goes in the weapon first.
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    My next purchase will be a ten pack of aluminum 30 round mags with may pull followers. I've been eying them from a few distributors for around $85.

    I've never used the ranger plates but have used the original magpul bottoms.

    What is it you like about the ranger base plates? They look more compact than the old school pulls.

    Over the years I've replaced all of my green and black followers with magpul followers. A few here and there when I place an order.
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    If you guys are looking to get rid of your Pmags, if they are in good shape, let me know.

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