.357 Sig, Can't find info

[kmrtnsn]

I carried a .357SIG for several years. We referred to it as a "9mm magnum", jokingly. It is essentially a hyper 125gr 9mm bullet. Compare it against a 155gr. 40S&W in terms of performance, cost, and availability of an alternative training round in the same caliber and tell me if the difference between the two justifies the cost premium of .357SIG. I don't think so.

Brand Load Mass Velocity Energy Expansion Penetration BPWPC TSC OSS AIT
Gold Dot JHP 155 1275 559 0.76 13.0 822 5.9 48.5 (est) 88.9% 7.7
Gold Dot JHP 125 1385 532 0.68 16.5 616 6.0 45.0 (est) 91% 8.8

[longball]

Thank you both gentleman. I havent made it through both threads provided but that that appears to be the information I was looking for.

Sorry I had to start a new thread for something that was already discussed. Every time I try to use the search function I got an error message that said I had no connection.

[kmrtnsn]

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[kmrtnsn]

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[Fail-Safe]

I've shot feral hogs and loose windshields with both heavy and mid-weight 9mm JHPs(Ranger Ts and Speer GDHPs), and with .357sig(GDHP), and have yet to see a difference beteen the 2 cartridges.When you do your part, and choose a good JHP that will do its part, the difference in all the common self defense calibers isnt big enough to fret over.

In your position, I'm either making the jump to .40S&W or maybe a good .357mag, .41mag revolver.

[Suwannee Tim]

I bought a SIG P226 in 40 because I had picked up so much brass at the range it made sense. I love the oddball stuff and the 357 SIG certainly fits that bill. I located 5K pieces of once fired brass for a good price and that in hand bought a 357 SIG barrel. If I had not found a large cheap lot of brass or had to buy factory ammo there is no way I would own this caliber. Too expensive and, other that the different factor, I don't see what is to be gained over 40. A little less recoil maybe but more blast. It is more powerful than 9mm, by a pretty good margin, Speer shows a 9mm 125 at 1050 fps 364 ftlb and and a 357 SIG 124 at 1350 fps and 506 ftlb, which is a 40% increase. That's enough difference to make a difference.

I've shot feral hogs and loose windshields with both heavy and mid-weight 9mm JHPs(Ranger Ts and Speer GDHPs), and with .357sig(GDHP), and have yet to see a difference beteen the 2 cartridges......

I've shot squirrels with 22 LR and with 30-06 and both cartridges kill them stone dead so I don't see much difference between the two.

Seriously, 40% is enough difference to make a difference, if you have a solution to the ammo cost issue.

[Fail-Safe]

And if ft lbs of energy in a handgun round meant a thing when it comes to wounding, you'd have a point. Unfortunately it doesnt.....

[Suwannee Tim]

And if ft lbs of energy in a handgun round meant a thing when it comes to wounding, you'd have a point. Unfortunately it doesnt.....

You are saying energy means nothing? 'Cause it does mean something. It does not tell the whole story, no single measure does, but it does mean something. If energy means nothing, pray tell, what measure does mean something?

[Longhorn]

Speer shows a 9mm 125 at 1050 fps 364 ftlb and and a 357 SIG 124 at 1350 fps and 506 ftlb, which is a 40% increase. That's enough difference to make a difference.

Your bullet weights are backwards, but your #s are right otherwise...

Another thing to make note of with Speer (least on the LE side) there's 2 357 Sig loads - the 54234 and 53918 (majority of the 20 round boxes are 23918). The 53918 is the same load used by the TX DPS, NC SHP and US Secret Service.

The one being quoted is the 2/53918. And yes, it makes a difference as I've never seen anything showing the 54234 is a "better" load even though it's got more velocity and energy than the 53918.

[Fail-Safe]

Why are people saying that USSS is using the Speer GDHP in .357sig? Did they change recently? There are some Treasury folks that have been in the local cop shop, and they still have Rangers.

As for the other .357sig carry load from Speer, it has more penetration at the cost of less expansion. .55 as opposed to .63.