Defensive Carbine 101 Review

**C4IGrant** · 05-03-10, 11:05

As many of you have read, we taught a basic Defensive Pistol class at Tusco Rifle Club: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52218

On April 30th, we started our Defensive Carbine class. Just like the pistol class, there is little to no carbine training going on in our area so we decided to do something about that.

Sgt. Watson of the T-County SO helped me run the class (which I am grateful for). We had about 24 shooters come out for our class. Like the pistol class, this one was FREE to the club members as well.

The week prior to the class, we saw a lot of the students come into our shop for mag pouches and slings. For whatever reason, they all had DPMS rifles. The castle nut on all of them were not staked. One came off with no effort and one of the others would NOT comes off with a cheater bar and heating it with a torch.

I have no idea what DPMS did to this castle nut, but it ain't coming off. One more reason to not buy a DPMS.

In the class, we discussed safety, operating in groups with a carbine and trigger finger discipline. There were about 3-4 Vietnam era slings (standard GI). Everyone wants to point their muzzles at their melon's! No idea why this is. So after asking them all if they wanted to shoot themselves in the head or the foot, they all pointed their muzzles down.

We covered the main types of zero's (25, 50 and 100) and had them all confirm their weapons POA/POI.

Next was stance, grip, different types of "ready" position (high, low, etc).

We covered three types of kneeling positions and prone. We also laid to rest the fact that the magazine can be used as a monopod when shooting in the prone position.

Much like the pistol class, most people learn to shoot by themselves and or by watching TV/Movies. They also tend to have ZERO idea what is quality and what isn't. "No, you don't have to buy everything UTG makes and strap it to your rifle."

All and all, the class went well and look forward to the next one in May.

C4

**C4IGrant** · 05-03-10, 11:07

**Jay Cunningham** · 05-03-10, 11:08

Cool!

**OneOneBravo** · 05-03-10, 11:31

Ohhhh, now you're just being cruel. See you at the handgun class this Friday.

**C4IGrant** · 05-03-10, 11:45

Originally Posted by OneOneBravo

Ohhhh, now you're just being cruel. See you at the handgun class this Friday.

The pistol class is on Saturday. You can of course show up on Friday, but I won't be there.

C4

**OneOneBravo** · 05-03-10, 11:49

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

The pistol class is on Saturday. You can of course show up on Friday, but I won't be there.

C4

Wuss, real warriors show up a day early for the leaders recon. LOL (see you Saturday)

**Littlelebowski** · 05-03-10, 11:54

How did the HK91 ( think that's what is) do?

**wes007** · 07-17-10, 18:47

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

As many of you have read, we taught a basic Defensive Pistol class at Tusco Rifle Club: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52218

On April 30th, we started our Defensive Carbine class. Just like the pistol class, there is little to no carbine training going on in our area so we decided to do something about that.

Sgt. Watson of the T-County SO helped me run the class (which I am grateful for). We had about 24 shooters come out for our class. Like the pistol class, this one was FREE to the club members as well.

The week prior to the class, we saw a lot of the students come into our shop for mag pouches and slings. For whatever reason, they all had DPMS rifles. The castle nut on all of them were not staked. One came off with no effort and one of the others would NOT comes off with a cheater bar and heating it with a torch.

I have no idea what DPMS did to this castle nut, but it ain't coming off. One more reason to not buy a DPMS.

In the class, we discussed safety, operating in groups with a carbine and trigger finger discipline. There were about 3-4 Vietnam era slings (standard GI). Everyone wants to point their muzzles at their melon's! No idea why this is. So after asking them all if they wanted to shoot themselves in the head or the foot, they all pointed their muzzles down.

We covered the main types of zero's (25, 50 and 100) and had them all confirm their weapons POA/POI.

Next was stance, grip, different types of "ready" position (high, low, etc).

We covered three types of kneeling positions and prone. We also laid to rest the fact that the magazine can be used as a monopod when shooting in the prone position.

Much like the pistol class, most people learn to shoot by themselves and or by watching TV/Movies. They also tend to have ZERO idea what is quality and what isn't. "No, you don't have to buy everything UTG makes and strap it to your rifle."

All and all, the class went well and look forward to the next one in May.

C4

After looking at the map I noticed that the range isnt outlandishly far from where I live( Lexington, KY). I'm obviously not a member of the club so what would pricing be/ ammo requirements? are you even allowing non members to attend?

**Complication** · 07-17-10, 18:56

Originally Posted by wes007

After looking at the map I noticed that the range isnt outlandishly far from where I live( Lexington, KY). I'm obviously not a member of the club so what would pricing be/ ammo requirements? are you even allowing non members to attend?

It's open to non-members, although Grant asks that you RSVP via e-mail once the date's set (just so they don't get overwhelmed). It's $10 for non-members (goes to the range) and whatever you feel like tipping Grant and Ben (who are doing this for free). But if you plan on shooting one of Grant's stakes, you better bring a extra $10 tip or so.

The last class I shot 50-55 rounds. But the classes build on one another, so the round counts might crawl upwards. 150 should give you way more than you need, but Grant's the one with the list of drills so he could give you a more solid number. (Make sure you bring an extra mag to keep empty for emergency reload drills, malfunction drills, etc.)

For what it's worth, during the most recent pistol class (yesterday) I think I went through a little under 100 rounds.