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    Dillon
    http://www.dillonprecision.com/ = Square Deal B/550/650

    For a great overview of Dillon Reloading Press Review
    http://www.brianenos.com/pages/dillon.html#550


    Square Deal B (SDB) only loads pistol. It is an auto indexing 4 station press. It uses special non-upgradeable Dillon dies. It comes with Dies and is preset from the factory ready to go. Just add Powder, Primers and components. It’s a good press. If you will never want to load rifle then you should consider it. Caliber Conversion Cost more then the 550 so be aware and price it out as you will eventually want it set up to get a real price comparison. The tool-head/shell-plate is smaller so it’s a little harder to manipulate. You can not use any other dies so if you need a different sizing die (for instance) you are out of luck.


    Dillon 550. The 550 is a 4 station manually indexing press. It is sold with out dies but with the proper caliber conversion for one caliber which includes the shell-plate, locator buttons and powder funnel. It also comes with the Powder Die for the Powder Measure. All you do is add dies of your choice for your caliber. I highly recommend you order from BrianEnos.com. He will make sure you get the right stuff when you order. Dillon sells a lot of upgrades for the 550/650. Avoid them to start with, Christmas is always less then a year away and you can treat yourself later. I am also going to suggest only getting one caliber to start with even if you have multiple calibers to load. Just buy it for your most common caliber. Learn and then get the other parts later. The back of the manual has all the info about caliber conversions. You can also learn about caliber conversion on Brian Enos’s excellent website. Go read and learn. When you need to change calibers you will need a combination of these parts; shellplate, locator buttons and powder funnel. You will also want a new toolhead and powder die. All you do is swap your Powder measure over from one toolhead to the next. If you are going to load sitting you do not want the Strong Mount. Standing you will want it depending on the bench height. I would get the Strong Mount for standing, but it’s personal preference (same goes for the 650 and the strong mount). The 550’s strengths are its simplicity, reliability and reasonable speed (about 400rds a hour). For a Dillon the caliber conversions are reasonably priced. Because it doesn’t auto-index it’s easier to clear problems and do caliber conversions. Like the 650 it comes with a low primer sensor and has a ton of options. Dillon’s No BS warranty is one of the best. Some people don’t like that it does not auto-index. You need to be sure to index the press every time you pull the handle. It’s a little slower as a result. You index the press while your right hand is grabbing a new case so it’s not really that big a deal. You also may want to seat the bullet in station #2. Then you simply can not double charge the case if you always seat the bullet right after looking in the case because the bullet is in the way. All the Dillons have a excellent Fail-Safe System to help prevent short stroking and double charges as a result of short stroking the press.

    Dillon 650. This is a 5 station auto-indexing press. Because it’s a 5 station press it has room for a Powder Check Die. Besides that it’s a typical Dillon. It’s sold just like the 550 with out dies but with the caliber conversion parts you need for your chosen caliber. Caliber conversion take a little more time and are more expensive than the 550. If you shoot a lot you won’t care because you will buy a casefeeder and really crank out the ammo. Strength are it’s 5 stations, auto-indexing for added speed. Caliber conversion costs more and takes more time to accomplish than a 550.

    Options I would probably buy with any Dillon from the start are:
    1) Toolholder/Wrench Set $26. Has a set of Ball Head Allen Wrenchs and a Bench Wrench.
    2) Dillon Lock rings if you use the Lee dies (550/650 only)
    3) Spare Parts kit. This avoids any downtime if you break anything.
    That’s it. I know there are a lot more but start simple and cheap (at least for a Dillon). For instance I used to think having a bunch of primer tubes was important. Now I like the change in pace that I get from loading 100rds, taking a break to load a primer tube and loading another 100rds, repeat. So I don’t use my extra primer tubes any longer. Spare parts kit avoids any downtime. Dillon will replace the parts that wear out.
    Recommended Setup:
    550/650, comes with proper powder die, buttons, powder funnel. Add either Dillon Dies or the Lee 3 or 4 dieset (if you use the three die set get the crimp die as well), Scale, Dial Calipers, Tumbler. Add the Dillon 1 inch lock rings if you use the Lee Dies. Spare parts kit, Toolholder.


    Hornady Lock N Load (LnL)
    http://www.hornady.com/
    The LnL is like a 650 with some minor but important differences. It is a 5 station auto-indexing press. It does not use a “toolhead” but instead mounts each die in its own individual “bushing”. So you don’t change a toolhead you just change out the dies one at a time in their bushings. They don’t loose their adjustment. As a result you don’t have to swap over the Powder Measure when you do caliber conversions. Some people really like the setup as it makes some things easier. The LnL is a 5 station press but as it ships from the factory it uses all its available stations because it does not flare and drop powder at the same time. So unlike the Dillon the LnL does not come standard with a Powder Measure/die that flares the case and throws the powder charge all at the same time. It uses a separate die to flare the case mouth and that die takes up the extra station it has over the 550. Hornady sells the proper dies for flaring or you can use a Lee Powder die with the powder funnel installed to hold the expander in place. You can convert the LnL to flare and throw the powder all at the same time. It’s called the Powder Through Expander(PTX). The PTX has not received good reviews from some people. You only need it if you are going to add a powder check die. It works fine for most people who don’t use lead bullets. Even some people have success with it and lead bullets. I hear it is getting redesigned to flare better and that would really solve its only drawback. Hornady does not offer as many calibers with the PTX setup check to be sure your desired calibers have the proper insert. The Press does not come with a shellplate. Get the proper shellplate when you order the press. One other difference with the LnL over the 550/650 is you load both the bullet and case on the left side of the press. 550/650 you load the bullet on the left and the case on the right. Besides that the LnL is much like the 650 and it’s a lot less expensive. Hornady recently has been working hard to improve this press (new ejection system). They have a lifetime warranty on the press as well. Once dialed in it’s a fast, inexpensive press especially if Hornady is offering the “Free Bullets” like it normally does. It does seem to require a little more time/effort to setup then the Dillon because the instructions are not as good. Many of the Dillon accessories can be adapted to work on the LnL. If you are willing to spend the time to learn it’s setup then this press is a great press. Many claim it’s Powder Measure is better then the Dillon. It even index’s in ½ steps which is unique and smoother. The powder measure has some great options that Dillon does not offer. It does not come with a Low Primer Warning system. You can adapt the RCBS/Dillon system to the LnL.

    Recommended Setup.
    LnL, Shellplate, Hornandy Custom Grade New Dimension Dies, add a crimping die of your choice (Lee Dies can work fine), Scale, Dial Calipers, Tumbler. Add a RCBS low primer sensor as well. PTX die if you are going to want a powder check die. An aftermarket PTX die insert is available at Powderfunnels.com -- http://www.powderfunnels.com/ I have heard good things about this PTX option.
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    Every Link you will ever need!..

    Here is a list of manufactures and or companies that you should know about if you plan on reloading and buying reloading supplies:

    Listed in no Particular Order

    Where to find "Bullet"s:
    www.dardascastbullets.com
    www.berrysmfg.com/
    www.missouribullet.com/
    www.twoalphabullets.com/
    www.rmrbullets.com/
    www.rozedist.com
    www.montanagoldbullet.com/index.html
    www.precisiondelta.com/index1.htm
    www.xtremebullets.com/index.htm
    www.scharch.com/index.php
    www.grafs.com/
    www.midwayusa.com/
    www.gamaliel.com/
    www.rrarms.com/
    www.wideners.com
    www.sinclairintl.com/
    www.natchezss.com/index.cfm
    www.tjconevera.com/index.html
    http://www.rmrbullets.com/
    http://www.twoalphabullets.com/ [/COLOR]


    Who has "Primers?":
    www.cabelas.com
    www.powdervalleyinc.com/
    www.grafs.com/
    www.midwayusa.com/
    www.natchezss.com/index.cfm
    www.wideners.com
    www.sinclairintl.com/
    www.rrarms.com/
    www.gamaliel.com/


    Where can I get "Brass":
    http://www.starlinebrass.com/
    www.oncefiredbrass.net/
    www.berrysmfg.com/
    www.midwayusa.com/
    www.grafs.com/
    www.gamaliel.com/
    www.powdervalleyinc.com/
    www.starlinebrass.com
    www.natchezss.com/index.cfm
    www.tjconevera.com/index.html
    www.rrarms.com/


    Reloading Press and Tools:
    www.kempfgunshop.com/
    www.gamaliel.com/
    www.dillonprecision.com/
    www.eguns.com
    www.brianenos.com/
    www.wideners.com
    www.sinclairintl.com/
    www.leeprecision.com/html/index.htm
    www.hornady.com/
    www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/
    www.midwayusa.com/
    www.rrarms.com/



    Dies:
    www.kempfgunshop.com/
    www.dillonprecision.com/
    www.eguns.com
    www.brianenos.com/
    www.leeprecision.com/html/index.htm
    www.hornady.com/
    www.natchezss.com/index.cfm
    www.wideners.com
    www.sinclairintl.com/
    www.midwayusa.com/
    www.rrarms.com/


    Misc. Tools and other places to spend your kids Inheritance
    www.rrarms.com/
    www.berrysmfg.com/
    www.kempfgunshop.com/
    www.dillonprecision.com/
    www.eguns.com
    www.brianenos.com/
    www.leeprecision.com/html/index.html
    www.hornady.com/
    www.harborfreight.com/
    www.wideners.com
    www.sinclairintl.com/
    www.natchezss.com/index.cfm
    www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/
    www.jandjproducts.com/.
    www.midwayusa.com/
    www.gamaliel.com/



    Here is an excellent source for tried and true load data on various powders and shell cases, etc.
    Steve's Reloading Data Pages http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm

    Well team for what it worth that's (My Two Cents) and that's all I've got, I think I’ve laid out enough information for you to review and safely begin your quest in reloading.

    Please feel free to leave your questions & comments as I know there are many extremely knowledgeable people on here who will be more than happy to answer your questions..

    I hope you find the information helpful.

    Linkpimp..
    Last edited by Linkpimp; 02-24-10 at 14:49.

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    i dont have time to read all of that while im at work, but good god man! nice post.

    Sticky?

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    Thank you.. I'm glad you like it..

    Link.
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    Good gravy, helluva post. I've been mulling all this over in information overload for months now.

    Good info and would make a nice sticky.

    Thanks!

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    Thumbs up

    As someone who is planning on getting into reloading I really appreciate you posting up this thread.
    Thanks

    Should definitely be a sticky.

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    Thank you for your awesome contribution to the forum. My vote for a sticky.
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