DUMBEST things overheard at the gun store.

[hotrodder636]

Nice story...I like it and it does fit most gun conversations I find myself in too.

Whenever somebody wants to talk about guns, usually it means they want to tell me what they know about guns. Always reminds me of this.

A professor comes to learn from a famous Zen master, but it quickly becomes obvious to the Zen master that this professor is more interested in showing off his own knowledge than in learning. He interrupts the Zen master. He follows each story the Zen master tells with a story of his own instead of really listening. So the Zen master begins to pour a cup of tea. He fills the cup and keeps pouring, so that the cup is overflowing.

The professor stops him, saying the cup is overflowing, no more will fit in. The Zen master says to the professor, "Like this cup, you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup."

[SteyrAUG]

I've learned that there's a big difference between "gun guys" and shooters.

Gun guys just want to talk about what mid-grade POS gun is better, the newest piece of totally unnecessary gear they bought or how they did an awesome mag dump last weekend.

Shooters talk about ballistics, actual results with their weapons and training (just to name a few, but you get the point).

I've found very few shooters outside of matches and message boards. No more than a handful in gun shops.

We'd need to create a few additional categories then such as collectors, hunters and scholars. Not everyone is a competitor, people get into guns for all kinds of reasons and rarely is it so they can be the fastest gun in the west.

I've seen the "top guns", I'm not one of them and I'm never going to shoot that well even if I had the time, money and inclination to be a top competitor. I'm satisfied with being a RKI who is a fair shot. If competition was all the firearms world had to offer, I'd have probably gotten completely bored with it decades ago.

This is one of the other problems of the community. Too many people only understand their own needs. Trap shooters wonder why anyone needs an AR-15, black gun guys see hunters as Fudds, hunters wonder why anyone needs a handgun, CCW guys wonder why anyone needs a shotgun and NFA owners wonder how anyone can have fun with a double barrel anything...

And make no mistake, there are retards and sellouts in every segment of the firearms community just like there is in any other collective group of human beings devoted to a common interest. And that is why we need to focus on common values like safe gun handling and basic principles of marksmanship.

[Left Sig]

I'm a technical type so I get into the mechanics of things - guns, guitars, cars, etc. Sometimes the tinkering is more than the using, for all of it, but that's how guys like me are. And I like talking with other people of similar interest. Every interest has people that are closed minded. In guitars, there's the Fender/Gibson only crowd that ignores higher quality smaller builders. There's the boutique only crowd where nothing "mainstream" is good. And all kinds.

Everything is about preference, and I'm seeing less of the thick headed - .45 ACP is the only thing you need, or 5.56 is too small - attitudes. I was talking to a younger LGS counter guy and he said he didn't like Kahr's - the long trigger and reset just didn't work for him. That is his opinion and I understood it as such - he didn't say it applies to everyone. I think that is the lesson - everyone has opinions, not everyone has facts. If I gun doesn't fit my hand and I can't shoot it well, then it's not good for me. Might be fine or someone else. I think that's the problem - people take opinions as statements of fact. I don't. If I think different I don't get all bent out of shape. Now if someone is deliberate insulting or clearly saying things that are not factual, I might interject with my opinion, but state it as such, not say the other is "wrong".

I was in an LGS yesterday and a customer was looking at Glock and mentioned discomfort because they don't have a safety. The salesmen calmly explained the 3 safeties in the system, and said it will not fire unless you pull the trigger, so never put finger in trigger guard unless already decide to shoot. Good answer. Could have said - then get an HK for a lot more money with a safety! Or here's an M&P with safety. And if they guy really wanted a manual safety, I'm sure they would sell him something to meet his need.

There's a Daniel Defense V5 .308 at the LGS for $2500. Everyone thinks it's the best DI .308 AR they've ever handled - very light. But we all agree that the improvements make it a damn proprietary thing which is unsettling for the 5.56 AR shooter who is used to near total modularity. And the older guys at the store that can't keep up with the new stuff? They admit they are behind the times and don't try talk about things they don't know.

[Alex V]

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This is why guys say "F it" and get that Trans Am in lieu of the latest over-gadgeted, GPS, Key Fob piece of shit

....or some people snap cap a P226 while watching X-Files with their early 00s 6920 reliving simpler, less BS times.


tldr I wish I could rub these people's noses in their own piss the next time they utter the words ""Anderson Lower"

I still have a Trans Am and I watch XFiles lol.

No P226 or 6920 but I do have a couple Anderson Lowers tho :-(

[Dist. Expert 26]

We'd need to create a few additional categories then such as collectors, hunters and scholars. Not everyone is a competitor, people get into guns for all kinds of reasons and rarely is it so they can be the fastest gun in the west.

I've seen the "top guns", I'm not one of them and I'm never going to shoot that well even if I had the time, money and inclination to be a top competitor. I'm satisfied with being a RKI who is a fair shot. If competition was all the firearms world had to offer, I'd have probably gotten completely bored with it decades ago.

This is one of the other problems of the community. Too many people only understand their own needs. Trap shooters wonder why anyone needs an AR-15, black gun guys see hunters as Fudds, hunters wonder why anyone needs a handgun, CCW guys wonder why anyone needs a shotgun and NFA owners wonder how anyone can have fun with a double barrel anything...

And make no mistake, there are retards and sellouts in every segment of the firearms community just like there is in any other collective group of human beings devoted to a common interest. And that is why we need to focus on common values like safe gun handling and basic principles of marksmanship.

Well I'm generalizing, obviously, but I stick by my point. Too many people think they know everything because they read Guns and Ammo every month.

On the safety point, I've noticed that a lot of shooters will harp endlessly on perceived safety violations to make themselves appear knowledgeable. For instance, a fellow competitor at a match asked me not to walk in front of our rifles when they were sitting on the ground with chamber flags inserted. To me that's pretty stupid.

All of these things are reasons I buy everything I can online and never go to public ranges.

[Firefly]

Well I'm generalizing, obviously, but I stick by my point. Too many people think they know everything because they read Guns and Ammo every month.

On the safety point, I've noticed that a lot of shooters will harp endlessly on perceived safety violations to make themselves appear knowledgeable. For instance, a fellow competitor at a match asked me not to walk in front of our rifles when they were sitting on the ground with chamber flags inserted. To me that's pretty stupid.

All of these things are reasons I buy everything I can online and never go to public ranges.

I knew a guy who did just that. Made an over-production over real or perceived safety "violations" in front of God, Christ, and Everybody else to be all 'Alpha Male'.

And this dweeb not only has one ND but three or four.....in public....around people. He had never been anywhere or anything just some dumbass gun nut.

I hurt his feelings one time, in front of God, Christ, and Everybody as well, when he said some stupid shit to me. The finger tap was not well received.

I, in no uncertain terms, had to explain barney style to dumbass that not only had I been carrying loaded guns on my person for my entire adult life but I don't do dumb shit with them and he needed to Eff off. He was a nobody.

I don't show off or unholster for anybody. This is not "You show me yours and I'll show you mine" and any people I've ever drawn down on in my godless life were legit a frog's whisker away from being on a T-Shirt. They made the right decision. You can always get out of jail, aint nobody climbed out of that pine box yet.

I am not alone here on that, I am aware of this.
I say that so we all know that guns are not to be dicked around with, displayed, shown off, or "here check out muh trigger jawb, uh did it muhself hyuck. It's cleared, hyuck".

People are treated like retarded kindergarteners at advanced courses or even basic training because you got a gun and live ammo and people can, and have died, in "just training".

Everyone as a young grasshopper has gotten balled out by some angry old man in academy or boot camp or whatever at some point(or you heard the balling out because of some other asshole).

That's how solid rigor, fundamentals, and healthy respect for your life-ending device is instilled.

However some no-life, mouthy nobody freelancing their shit sounds like a jackass.

Only one way to accidentally pull a trigger and only one way to accidentally get pregnant.....

by f_cking around too much.

And ya know to that type of person....unless you are actively messing around with the more violent shitsticks in the hood or murdering up haji/charlie/julio/ivan in a professional capacity; I care not for your opinions on tactics, scenarios, or what James Yeager says on YouTube.

[SteyrAUG]

Well I'm generalizing, obviously, but I stick by my point. Too many people think they know everything because they read Guns and Ammo every month.

On the safety point, I've noticed that a lot of shooters will harp endlessly on perceived safety violations to make themselves appear knowledgeable. For instance, a fellow competitor at a match asked me not to walk in front of our rifles when they were sitting on the ground with chamber flags inserted. To me that's pretty stupid.

All of these things are reasons I buy everything I can online and never go to public ranges.

I understood your point, just saying not everyone is a serious competitor. I know a few guys who know more about guns than you and I will ever understand, but I suspect either of us could out shoot more than a few of them.

So who is more knowledgeable?

And I wasn't suggesting hyper safety, I'm suggesting a common area we can all agree on and more importantly all benefit from.

Basic gun safety - Knowing, and more importantly understanding the four rules.
Basic marksmanship skills - Understanding the fundamentals of sighting and shooting.

[Hank6046]

At my father in laws this weekend, in southern Wisconsin. Father in law owns a DPMS Oracle that he won at a Ducks Unlimited event. When my father in law introduces me to his neighbor who has a deuce and a half in his driveway.
Father in law: "He's a gun guy like you, served in the Army"
Neighbor: "Yep 8 years active and 12 in the guard, retired 1st Sgt."
Me: " Cool what do you shoot?"
Neighbor: "I've go a few, but my newest gun is probably my coolest"
Me " oh yeah? What's that?"
Neighbor: "DPMS SASS 308, that I modified the hell out of"
Me: "like what?"
Neighbor: "BA 308 stainless 20", a JP silent capture spring, unknown Nickel Boron BCG, Midwest 15" free-float handguard"
Me: Picking it up, "this was a DPMS SASS originally?"
Neighbor: "Yep, wanted to start out with a truly accurate base for this rifle and DPMS is great for that"
Me: Thinking quietly to my self, "you mean the 6000 series aluminum upper and lower????"

[Kain]

Well it seems I can't go the the pistol or rifle range, even on an off day without seeing at least one idiot running amok. Today I got two.

The first one was a tactical Tommy who thought he was going to be the next Chris Costa. I kid you not and he was trying too damn hard.

Beard? Check.
Tactical Clothing? Check.
Fancy shooting glasses? Check.
War belt? Double check with 4 pistol mags and 5 rifle mags, but no holster for a handgun but he did have two knives.
Suped up looking AR? Yep. With cheap sling, a muzzle brake that was offensive as hell(I ever mention how much I hate muzzle brakes? Well I do. I want to break them and the owners trigger fingers a lot of times. Haha, pun intended.) With light and shooting with arm thrown way the hell out front as if he was trying to dislocate his shoulder.
Skill and training? Not an iota.
Sidekick? Check, and that poor dumb bastard was a worse shot than the Costa clone.

Anyway, I find a lane, set up targets, and go about my business zeroing the rifles I had drug out, one irons only AR which is as basic as basic gets minus the G2X I mounted on it because. And the other one that has everything on it. Get to overhear complaints about the first rifle(irons only) that I drag out and how I must be a fudd(Ironic since I am in the same age bracket at them most likely and am in jeans and sneakers with a tshirt not a polo) since everyone knows you can't hit a target with irons effectively. (What did I ever do without electronic ear pro?) I ignore beard and beardier and go about my shooting working on basics and just enjoying a nice day in February. At some point Costa clone decides to start shooting some drills from the standing position, usually single and doubles, that I am sure he saw either online shooting mostly patterns and not groups at 25 yards. Seriously, at 25 he was hitting the entire large silhouette from top to bottom, left to right and general all over the place. I'm shooting at 50 and 100 yards myself, getting on paper at 50 and then dialing my stuff in at 100 because that is as far out as I can go just kind of shaking my head and trying to ignore them.

Anyway, while I am shooting I watch Costa clone grab a Magpul 40rder and load it up, shove it in the rifle, and line up on his target which is at 25 yards. I don't think too much of it since he is on my right I ain't dealing with his brass. I listen to a few rounds go off and then watch the guy drop to the ground. At first I think he either shot himself or got hit by a ricochet. About the time I turn my head he scrunches his ass into rollover prone(God those mag pouches have to be uncomfortable there) and proceeds to empty the mag as fast as he can pull the trigger. Hitting the target not hardly at all from under the shooting bench.

My mouth outruns my brain and I go, "I don't think you hit the target there bub." I said, sounding a little bit like an asshole, because hey I'd see bubba bumpfire his SKS and make more hits than that.
Costa Clone: "Hitting the target wasn't the point. That was suppressive fire I was trying to make the target stop shooting so I could move." As he gets up jamming his muzzle into the gravel.
Me, again, cuz I wasn't quite believing that response: "You know what is really good at suppressing a target? Actually hitting the ****ing target. Its at 25 yards not 400."
Costa Clone: Slow stutter on indignation, "Well that isn't what real operators teach." Before hurriedly running off before I can respond again.

[TacticalFun]

Today at big r. "You have any 9mm?" "We have regular 9mm, 9mm parabellum and 9mm luger." I think i had a stroke.

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