Anyone still .40 S&W?

[202]

I sold the 40 cal handguns years ago. It’s a good caliber, but with 9mm and 45 acp, I didn’t see the need to keep them.

[Ron3]

In 9x19, if you choose one the better JHP's offers the minimum level of Police / military service performance from a pistol with @4 inch barrel or longer. A +p load can help.

If I'm carrying a gun the size of a "Compact" or larger I want a bullet that hits harder / makes bigger / deeper holes than just the minimum the FBI said was okay in 1988 so they could blame a bullet when they had a bad day.

For CC, I don't care a 9mm gun of the same size holds 2 more rounds when it already has 12, 14, or 15 rds of .40.

I don't care 9mm offers slightly faster split times when I can fire .40 or .45 at appropriate speeds already.

And I don't care .40 & .45 cost more. I'll pay and I reload them.

The truth is organizations (and people) choose 9x19 because it's the cheapest choice. It also helps those organizations save money on training time getting people up to thier minimum standards.

None of that applies to me.

[Defaultmp3]

I don't care 9mm offers slightly faster split times when I can fire .40 or .45 at appropriate speeds already.

What's your split time difference between 9mm Para and .40 S&W for two hits on the T box or the A zone on the head of an IPSC at 3 yards? A 7 yards? What about doing it SHO? WHO?

I've heard a lot of people say that they're just as fast, or almost as fast, with .40 S&W or .45 ACP compared to 9mm Para. That can often be true on the flat range, when you're not fatigued. Throw in being tired, being sweaty, being injured, and all of that typically goes out the window.

Consider that even the top tier CT units in the USA all switched to 9mm, when their funding and training tempo would definitely allow them to continue to use other calibers.

[Ron3]

What's your split time difference between 9mm Para and .40 S&W for two hits on the T box or the A zone on the head of an IPSC at 3 yards? A 7 yards? What about doing it SHO? WHO?

I've heard a lot of people say that they're just as fast, or almost as fast, with .40 S&W or .45 ACP compared to 9mm Para. That can often be true on the flat range, when you're not fatigued. Throw in being tired, being sweaty, being injured, and all of that typically goes out the window.

No difference to not enough to make a difference.

But we shouldn't be shooting that fast. About .25-.35s splits is about how fast we should shoot if we want to account for every bullet we send and not be pulling the trigger after the threat has ended.

If I'm trying to pace myself to 3 or 4 shots a second (at the appropriate distance) I should do it with the most powerful gun I achieve that with.

[Defaultmp3]

No difference to not enough to make a difference.

But we shouldn't be shooting that fast. About .25-.35s splits is about how fast we should shoot if we want to account for every bullet we send and not be pulling the trigger after the threat has ended.

If I'm trying to pace myself to 3 or 4 shots a second (at the appropriate distance) I should do it with the most powerful gun I achieve that with.

Sure. Anything faster than 0.2 splits is arguably irresponsible in a self-defense or LE context (though the important thing to note is that this does not mean the ability to shoot faster than that is not a very useful skill even if you never reach that speed in a realworld situation). But can you do that kind of split with a compromised grip, doing it one-handed? Again, do you know your split times with that kind of situation between the different calibers? I've seen noticeable differences from people that demonstrated that their splits with a good two-handed grip were fairly even between calibers, but noticeable differences once other factors were introduced (gloves, SHO, WHO, etc.). If you can do 0.25 splits with a 9mm Para, but only 0.35 splits with .40 S&W, sure, it's only a 0.1 second difference, but that's also literally the difference between 4 bullets in one second and 3 bullets in one second, a 40% increase in split time; I would definitely take the 9mm Para even with the slight decrease in terminal ballistic performance, given the noticeable increase in split speed, even all else the same.

[Ron3]

Sure. Anything faster than 0.2 splits is arguably irresponsible in a self-defense or LE context (though the important thing to note is that this does not mean the ability to shoot faster than that is not a very useful skill even if you never reach that speed in a realworld situation). But can you do that kind of split with a compromised grip, doing it one-handed? Again, do you know your split times with that kind of situation between the different calibers? I've seen noticeable differences from people that demonstrated that their splits with a good two-handed grip were fairly even between calibers, but noticeable differences once other factors were introduced (gloves, SHO, WHO, etc.). If you can do 0.25 splits with a 9mm Para, but only 0.35 splits with .40 S&W, sure, it's only a 0.1 second difference, but that's also literally the difference between 4 bullets in one second and 3 bullets in one second, a 40% increase in split time; I would definitely take the 9mm Para even with the slight decrease in terminal ballistic performance, given the noticeable increase in split speed, even all else the same.

I have not recorded one-handed split times or draw to shot times. I should do that.

But whatever the difference is I don't think it's going to suggest a cartridge change.

[markm]

To me there are no disadvantages having .40 s&w.

For sure. I have my 9mm pistols too, but after shooting the old 40 this weekend, I'm feeling the 40 a little again. I was frightened that shooting a bunch of 9mm over the last year (especially in some creme puffs like the Staccato which I love), I was going to have totally wrecked my pistol shooting ability.

I even rocked my Iraqgunz modded Safariland 1/2 thigh rig.

[BuzzinSATX]

I've got a load that throws a 180 gr coated bullet an average of 835 fps. The S&W cycles it and still tosses brass 3-4 feet away. The PX4 won't cycle it at all.

Do it with a fast powder.

I was going to start with N320


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[Ron3]

I was going to start with N320


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I've never used that one.

I've been using 700x and HP38.

[titsonritz]

I got rid of it along with 45acp and 10mm, if I need to bump up in power range from 9mm I go straight to 44 mag.