Anyone still .40 S&W?

[ViniVidivici]

You have to be faster and have more rounds is what I'm seeing time and time again in these body cam vids. The cops are making up for a lack of caliber with volume of fire. I'm sure many of the wounds are eventually fatal injuries, but the small caliber is buying time for the bad guy.

Maybe if we had as many body cam vids in the 40 cal days it would be the same. I don't know. But I do see that 9mm is like that bad dream you have where your punches don't hurt your attacker.

No, what's going on is the idiot cops are making up for poor shot placement with volume of fire.

Notice the trend of late....more good cops have quit the job (for all the obvious reasons of today), and more and more assbrains are being hired to replace them.

Look at all the screaming Karen's & Chad's with badges these days gunning down folks by mistake. Every. Damn. Day it seems, you read the stories.

So if these dumbasses can't even read an adress, I don't expect them to be demonstrating professionalism in their shooting either.

[Ron3]

You have to be faster and have more rounds is what I'm seeing time and time again in these body cam vids. The cops are making up for a lack of caliber with volume of fire. I'm sure many of the wounds are eventually fatal injuries, but the small caliber is buying time for the bad guy.

Maybe if we had as many body cam vids in the 40 cal days it would be the same. I don't know. But I do see that 9mm is like that bad dream you have where your punches don't hurt your attacker.

Folks love to talk about "being faster" but for some it ends up being faster misses. "17+2 in the mag and I'm gonna use 'em!" guys will burn through it no matter how many are in there.

It's difficult to be "Too accurate". Only if you spend too much time say, getting the bullet into a 1" circle when a 4" circle in half the time will do. But it's easy to shoot too fast and you can do it with any cartridge.

Trying to train fire rate discipline has always been an issue.

Perhaps the idea was it would be easier to teach such discipline with 9mm? If it was, it hasn't worked.

But that wasn't the reason. The reason is because the ammo costs less and it's easier to keep a poor shooter inside the lines. A good, discipline shooter probably won't need round #19 and #20, and may have dropped the BG with fewer rounds than what he did fire and faster if shot wider, deeper bullets.

[Ron3]

No, what's going on is the idiot cops are making up for poor shot placement with volume of fire.

Notice the trend of late....more good cops have quit the job (for all the obvious reasons of today), and more and more assbrains are being hired to replace them.

Look at all the screaming Karen's & Chad's with badges these days gunning down folks by mistake. Every. Damn. Day it seems, you read the stories.

So if these dumbasses can't even read an adress, I don't expect them to be demonstrating professionalism in their shooting either.

You're right about that.

But we're getting into what might be better for cops.

I'm into having what's best for me.

[markm]

No, what's going on is the idiot cops are making up for poor shot placement with volume of fire.

Very well could be. And there's a time and place to dump the mag. Saw one female officer that button hooked around and had to go thru the passenger side window. She appropriately put about 9 rounds into the threat.

Folks love to talk about "being faster" but for some it ends up being faster misses. "17+2 in the mag and I'm gonna use 'em!" guys will burn through it no matter how many are in there.

The old "Shoot fast... Miss Fast!" I read LAV used to use that expression.

Thanks to both of you for entertaining the notion without emotional collapse and hurt feelings.

[SteyrAUG]

I thought the FBI went to the G22/23 40 S&W in 1997/98ish?

NYH1.

They picked up the MP5/40 earlier than that but I was still off by a few years.

[Ron3]

They picked up the MP5/40 earlier than that but I was still off by a few years.

Do it MKE! I dare ya!

I have a good Turk AP5P. I bet I'd like it even more in .40 with LRBH, if good mags are available.

[Ron3]

Very well could be. And there's a time and place to dump the mag. Saw one female officer that button hooked around and had to go thru the passenger side window. She appropriately put about 9 rounds into the threat.



The old "Shoot fast... Miss Fast!" I read LAV used to use that expression.

Thanks to both of you for entertaining the notion without emotional collapse and hurt feelings.

No problem!

Mag dumps at 5 yds and .2 splits? Sure!

Mag dumps on a running target 30 yards away in low light with the same .2s splits? Yea that's bad.

I know what you're talking about is beyond that. BG's getting hit multiple times and still fighting.

[TBAR_94]

I still have my old G23, which was my primary carry gun for years. I've largely switched to 9mm, but I like having a .40 just to diversify on ammo in the event 9mm becomes hard to come by again. I wouldn't buy a new one just for cost factor.

[BuzzinSATX]

If I didn’t have a G23-4, and I was wanting to add a .40 just to have one, the LEO trade ins are the way to go. I’ve never heard of anyone getting a bad one…and Glock will still warranty them if there is a problem:

https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-...4-40sw-handgun

$279 ain’t a bad deal…


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[C-grunt]

I've had to guard many a bad guy at the hospital who got into a gunfight with cops and got blasted with 40 and 45s. I've also see plenty of people get dropped by 9mm. I've never seen bigger bullets make up.for bad shot placement and I've never seen good shot placement not work. Even with FMJ and smaller calibers, shots to the A zone are very effective.

Pretty much universally our officers have shot more accurately when they switched from 40 to 9mm. Going from 15 round mags to 17 round mags hasn't made them become spray and pray goons. Plenty of dudes panicked and mag dumped with the 40s too.