Effect on POI when occluding red dot sights

[MegademiC]

You guys are dot focused. If you are target focused youll be on target, thats why you have to do it quick and not stare through the scope.

If you stare at the target, pull the gun up and shoot quick, youll be much closer

[markm]

The thing that I thought helped a decent amount was looking through the rear fixed iron app. Seemed to reduce the effect, but that method was ridiculously slow.

[kirkland]

You guys are dot focused. If you are target focused youll be on target, thats why you have to do it quick and not stare through the scope.

If you stare at the target, pull the gun up and shoot quick, youll be much closer

This has been my experience. You're looking over the optic, bring the dot up to the target and shoot. If I'm gonna be looking through the optic for any length of time I'd rather have the front cap open.

[titsonritz]

You have to be target focused.

[markm]

You have to be target focused.

I'll have to look at it again. It's hard to say for sure because you're reconciling two different visions.

[MegademiC]

The easiest way to start is with a handgun, and tape over the dot. Stare at a target (dot on the wall, light switch, etc) and if your focus in either eye changes when you put the dot up, or if your eye moves to the dot, you need to train out of that.

Here's Ben Stoeger explaining it better than I can:
https://youtu.be/ZUnkfr6X3o4?si=kVYJubePGn93mcSo

[markm]

Strikes me that it's reversing correct eye dominance into the left eye. No?

[militarymoron]

You have to be target focused.

We're assuming people know how to use red dots. Being target focused doesn't fix phoria.

[MegademiC]

We're assuming people know how to use red dots. Being target focused doesn't fix phoria.

The problem is people thinking they are target focused when they are not.


Occluding the dot is used to show you when you are and are not target focused. You physically cant be target focused and have phoria. Phoria by definition is divergence of focus.

Edit to clarify : when I say "focus" i mean eye convergence, both eyes focuswd on a singular object.

Edit 2: look at a stop sign, if you swipe your hand over an eye, does it need to refocus? No. An rds is different because attention is drawn to it.

[militarymoron]

Occluding the dot is used to show you when you are and are not target focused. You physically cant be target focused and have phoria. Phoria by definition is divergence of focus.

You're bringing up two separate issues. One is the problem people have with where they focus their attention. It's referring to where their attention is going - are they staring at the target or tracking the dot. Ben explains it in the video.

A red dot is not like the front sight on a handgun. Focusing on the front sight makes the target blurry. With a red dot - whether the target is close or far, both the target and the dot remains in focus.

Phoria is another. You can totally be target focused and experience phoria. I guarantee that when I did my phoria experiments, my non-occluded eye was 100% focused on the target, which remained sharp. The dot just moved back and forth on the target when opening and closing the front cap. My attention and focus never moved from the target. Remember that when doing the experiment, the gun remains stationary on the target in a rest. The only moving thing is the front scope cover.
It's not like shooting a handgun that's recoiling and seeing whether you're looking at the target or tracking the dot instead.