Shotgun vs AR for HD (inside the house).

[Harpoon]

How much spread does it have at the length of a hallway in your house?

With an open choke maybe 1-2 inches spread at 15 feet. But as soon as shotgun buckshot pellets hit they spread out in the medium. Gel test shots show this very well.

[Inkslinger]

With an open choke maybe 1-2 inches spread at 15 feet. But as soon as shotgun buckshot pellets hit they spread out in the medium. Gel test shots show this very well.

So when comparing a .410 to an AR15, you have time on target (rounds impacting), and terminal performance. So you have to ask yourself at what speed can you get 4/5 rounds into your target from your AR vs. .410, and how much damage will result.

Obviously all pellets from a .410 will impact essentially at the same time. With a 1-2” spread will they cause as much damage as a defensive 5.56 round?

For me personally, I’m confident I can deliver much more damage from my defensive 5.56 rounds at a speed and hallway distance that a .410 doesn’t even register on my list of potential HD defensive firearms.

That’s all without factoring in all the other pros of using a semiautomatic rifle with a 30 round magazine.

[Defaultmp3]

What single AR round hits like 4 .36 caliber pellets @1225 fps?
That's a .410 by the way, you know a little kids gun.

Maybe something subsonic? Typical 5.56×45mm has way more energy than any .410.

Depends on where the hits are. It's possible that 4 spread out hits with 000 buck has a better chance to hit vital organs than 1 hit with a 223/556 rifle.

Why are you trying to hit vital organs instead of stopping the fight?

[markm]

Why are you trying to hit vital organs instead of stopping the fight?

The better question is why would he hunt birds inside the house?? That's got to be illegal. Plus the drywall repairs and such. Feathers and shit all over the place... it's just dumb all the way around.

(TRANSFER THIS THREAD TO ARFCOM where retards use bird guns and lock the ARs up for safe keeping)

[Harpoon]

I never said I would use a 410 for HD. I asked a simple question that no one seems to be able to answer. Instead some want to be defensive and adversarial.
I wonder why that is?

[titsonritz]

Depends on where the hits are. It's possible that 4 spread out hits with 000 buck has a better chance to hit vital organs than 1 hit with a 223/556 rifle.

I believe the opposite is true…I am much more capable of planting a 5.56 round precisely where I want it and since accurate shot placement typically trumps round horsepower I’ll stick with my AR, especially in a scenario where a loved one is being used as human shield.

[Nanuk]

Between a .410 and a .223 there is no comparison, the .223 wins every time. If I am using a shotgun for defensive uses it is a 12 gauge loaded with 00 buck. A good man with a 12 gauge will dominate a handgun distance gun fight. That being said there are few things that are man portable and as devastating as a close range shotgun wound.

It comes down to what do you have available and what do you run the best.

I have put aside my 870 and replaced it with a Wilkinson Tactical CR-12.

[nick84]

Semi-auto shotguns?!?!?

But how will you scare the bad guys first, without rackin' muh 12 gauge??

[BobinNC]

Semi-auto shotguns?!?!?

But how will you scare the bad guys first, without rackin' muh 12 gauge??

When you make the big bada boom, they are briefly scared, but it passes quickly.......

[Sam]

I have a Sears 16 gauge, single shot smoke pole. That's all I need.