So the Colt OEM that's sold with no stock (just a bare receiver extension), is that a candidate for putting a brace on with a short upper and turning into a pistol?
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So the Colt OEM that's sold with no stock (just a bare receiver extension), is that a candidate for putting a brace on with a short upper and turning into a pistol?
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It’s a complete rifle and is sold as such.Originally Posted by okie
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Depends on what Colt calls it from the factory. I could see it being an "Other Title I" like the Troy A4, but if it's marketed as a rifle Colt probably papered it that way and "first rifle forevermore rifle."
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I would check the copy of the form that you have. You did keep the copy and stored it in an organized fashion correct?
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The Brownell's Spares lower Colt P/N SP633784 from about 2017 is probably the only Colt lower that is pistol eligible.
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I KNOW someone will correct if I'm wrong. What's written on the 4473 is "just paperwork"
IE: If you bought a pistol, or stripped lower, and it was marked as "rifle"..it doesn't matter, it was an error on paperwork.
If it didn't have a stock, and it was too long to be a pistol (26"+ OAL) then it can't be a rifle, by their definition. It's an "any other weapon", "firearm" or "title 1" if over 16" barrel installed.
Sorry, that's hard to process after reading it 13 times, re-writing, deleting it, then writing again.
"This is legal, except if that, but unless you do this, and then maybe that, but we haven't got that far" - AFT
How bad do you want a fight it in court at a later date, that's up to the owner.
Now if said lower was previously purchased as a rifle, and had a stock on + literally any functioning upper, it's always going to be a rifle. (The way the law is written) The stock is very important. "designed to be shouldered" So if one built a virgin <16" gun with a stock, it would still always be a rifle, regardless of barrel length. (Don't even get into NFA, legality, etc). Here's the real kicker...stocks don't define shit until it has a barrel installed. Complete lowers with a stock = other until pinned to a functioning upper.
If it's a functioning gun that had a stock, it's a rifle, done and done. (does it matter if the gun is functional before the stock was installed? Need a trial to decide that..the way the law is written, no, but maybe IE constructive possession, etc, etc)
The laws are ridiculous and the fact I had to edit this 17 times makes me realize it more.
To answer your question directly, if it didn't have a stock, it's legally impossible for it be a rifle by the black/white definition as you bought it, as long as it wasn't previously sold as a rifle or SBR.
This is the THING you need to know....if it is virgin, you can put a <16" barrel. If it's cherry was popped with a stock than any functional upper...it's a rifle.
So what happens if you buy a "firearm" IE no stock but over 26". I don't know. I'd assume it was never a rifle so pistol to rifle and back is GTG. I'm sure some will correct me.
Once again...the laws are silly.
Even in my best attempt, I managed to be hypocritical in my text...gerrrr...That's how the laws are written.
Back to OP. You bought a functional gun, with no stock....was it factory fresh? You need to figure that out.
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That was my understanding as well. No stock, can't be a rifle period.
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Interestingly enough, without going back to view the thread, someone called Colt to inquire about the lowers sold by Brownell’s, and Colt informed they had come from complete rifles. Something along those lines.The Brownell's Spares lower Colt P/N SP633784 from about 2017 is probably the only Colt lower that is pistol eligible.
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You can make this as convoluted as you want. Remember, what any law says isn’t all it says. That’s why we pay lawyers. It’s your call whether something a simple as using a different lower as a pistol is inconvenient enough (or muh rights enough) to be the test case.
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The only error I see is handguns can become rifles. If you put a 16" barrel on a 1911, you can add a stock.
But rifles can not become handguns and can only go shorter than 16" by becoming an AOW (no stock) or a SBR (short barrel rifle).
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A rifle is always a rifle unless you NFA.
However you can take an AR pistol, change the upper to minimum 16" barrel length and then add a stock.
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