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Posted this after seeing Sig video in GD. I am having trouble understanding why anything would be attached to an open carry holster unless it aids in pistol retention or protection. Granted, I also don't carry a gun for a living.
Would/do you mount a tourniquet or other object on your holster and why?
Thanks
Andy
Duty belts are full as is, it doesn't interfere with access or retention.
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TQs on holsters are popular. Normally not a problem, but I've wondered about potential for interference and displacement in a ground fight. I like the holster clean and clear of anything around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyLate
It's an easy place to carry one that is both easy to reach with either hand as well as doesn't interfere with access to anything else on a duty rig. From a uniformity perspective, if everyone carries a TQ in the same location, that makes buddy aid significantly easier...especially in the high stress world of treating friends and colleagues and time is of the essence.
I've carried TQs on buttstocks (still do on my home defense rifle), as well as on a holster. Carry them where you can get to them and know how to use them correctly, that's all that matters.
Because as with 99% of tourniquets sold... IT'S A FASHION ACCESSORY for "Look at me Syndrome" Retards.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyLate
How else are people going to know how high speed you are of you don't flaunt that shit!!
So I've done a few classes with local area swat guys who have a tourniquet attached to their safarilands, and I get the ideology that its right next to your pistol and is unobstructed for you to easily reach down and grab, but I would agree with @Hush, I don't like anymore weight or bulk added to my leg or thighs when I can have them on my belt of hips, plus as joe civilian I'm not carrying as much bulky gear as a swat guy would.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyLate
The CAT appeared to have been issued to the LEOs in the video in question, and position seems to have been fairly standardized, as other LEOs from the same department were shown to also have a CAT attached to the front of their holsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
I would wager that the vast majority of TQs sold are in fact not fashion accessories, but medical equipment that is issued to agencies and institutions.
I completely agree, but to Markm's point, the instagram/ reddit larpers are all over the internet with their retracted PVS14s attached to their Team Wendy helmets with the sun showing in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defaultmp3
I understand where Markm is coming from, these were championed by Centrifuge all over their Instagram page. Petty has become internet famous in LE circles for revising tactics around vehicles. I have been to their VCQB class and it was easily some of the best training I have been to. The curriculum is laid out, the objectives are clear, and it is a lot more than just shooting cars for fun.
I tried out the RDR Gear TQ holster attachment and I was a big fan for the reasons stated. However, I didn't follow the instructions to a T, and the threads backed out because I did not loctite/vibratite it down.
I have carried tourniquets holster mounted, vest mounted, belt mounted, ankle mounted, pocket, and on the holster. I think the holster mounted is the easiest place to remember, sure it's bulky, but you also won't forget where it is. If youre open carrying, bulk doesn't really matter. I'm way more worried about the people who carry them and don't properly stage them. Find your system and train with it.
And for what it's worth, these tourniquets are in a dedicated TQ holster attached to the pistol holster. There's nothing to hang off and get caught.
Bulk does matter, even in open carry. It makes many things more annoying and/or difficult, such as vehicle bailouts, urban prone, or entangled fights. Having a TQ pouch doesn't prevent snagging from occurring, I've snagged my Eleven10 on many things before (albeit not in a holster mount). Not saying that putting a TQ on a holster is a bad idea, just that it does have its drawbacks, even if it does also have a lot of strengths, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budget
Issued gear can be fashion accessories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defaultmp3
https://www.ammoland.com/2013/03/ny-...-on-backwards/
https://www.sf2a.org/whatswrong.htm
This goes back to training, which is honestly much more important, and should lead to gear selection or placement. I've honestly never tried to add a tourniquet to my OWB holster, but I get the idea of why someone does.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsbhike
Neither of those examples shown look like fashion accessories to me. Gross misuse, sure, but the users didn't slap them on there to try and project a specific image, but likely simply were being forced to use them, never learned how to use them, and so totally ****ed up using them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsbhike
Are some folks putting TQs on their holsters just to try and fit in with whatever cool thing is on social media? Absolutely. This does not mean that putting a TQ on your holster somehow is retarded and is only used for posturing, particularly in the cited video, where the TQ on a holster seems to have likely have been a mandated mounting spot. It certainly doesn't mean that "with 99% of tourniquets sold... IT'S A FASHION ACCESSORY".
What medical equipment do you bring with you while shooting?Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
Absolute bullshit. I’ve not only seen cops correctly and successfully use TQs, but also happen to know that medics grab them from the wounded to use without depleting theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
For the record, I don’t put them on holsters or advocate for that. But I do teach medics to check the beltline for Class VIII. And I frequently wear them on my beltline.
Most of the matches I shoot I see many guys with them on their belt. If someone got shot, there would be plenty to go around. I keep a couple in my shooting trucks for easy access. Never seen one on a holster.
PB
The way I see it, I'm out of real estate on my belt because I try to keep the backside clear for comfort reasons and my department doesn't issue an outer carrier with molle so this solution makes the most sense.
Lol at the 90% FUDD replies in here.
TQ on holster makes it available by both hands, does not add bulk to holster or get in the way of anything, stops TQ fraying your uniform, and the mounts often allow a more neutral cant of the holster which adds in draw speed.
These things are vetted beyond belief.
You’re absolutely right. With that said, I like to keep mine protected from the relentless equatorial sun, so I use pouches. One is just forward of my holster on my belt, so its within millimeters of where it would be if attached directly to the holster.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag
Probably the only issue I might see happening is that if the TQ is mounted on lets say a Safariland DO model with the flip up optics cover and the TQ starts riding out of the pouch it could block the optics cover from flipping out of the way and snagging on the optic, so like you said fully covered pouch is ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1168
As for putting it on the outboard side of the holster, I run a Safariland ALS mid ride with the QLS fork and that already kicks it out to the point where its already banging on everything, I don't think Id want to add more bulk, again ymmv on the holster choice and set up.
Lol, yep I dig my reverse cant plate with tq from CentrifugeQuote:
Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag
When we switched to Glocks, our Safarilands came with the QLS installed. I pulled that off within the month of the changeover.Quote:
Originally Posted by vicious_cb
People gave me hell for it. Like I was going to kill babies because of it. Mainly, it allows the holstered gun to be secured by itself. Ok… but didn’t need it with the P2000 I had prior. Nor did I need it with the prior agency, that also used Glocks. Finger stays off the trigger, gun no bangy.
Benefits really outweighed the risk for me. I have, to an extent, child bearing hips. No issue sitting in chairs or vehicles (only SUVs and pickups here… personal pickup included), which I was forced to pull the holster with the QLS. The original holster looked like it was a bumper car just from banging into things over that first month. Light holster, had it for a while… still looks better than that original one in regard to scuffs. Also add in that I like stuff closer in… similar with the taser holster directly on the belt, without the Blackhawk QD.
I am not 100% sure the agency allows us to mount tourniquets to the holster… but I’ve seen a handful of people do it. One coworker that has it is the same one we all make fun of… has like three layers deep of pouches on his vest, every “tactical” thing he could put on every inch of belt/MOLLE. The worst was the flex cuffs on the back of the vest, which would become an easy/nice way for someone to strangle him from behind. I’m all for being prepared, but I doubt the apocalypse is starting in northern ME.
To me, you are increasing grip that someone can grab the holster. Like yes, people can go directly for the gun… but you are adding that much more reach that wouldn’t be there without the holder. Without it, similar reach would be grasping a polymer/leather holster. Since the need of a tourniquet is really a “what if,” I think that consideration should be viewed.
I do have a tourniquet on my vest. One in the truck. Another on my personal vest. And I think there are three or four throughout my house (I got a good deal on them). I don’t have one directly on me when I’m off duty.
No… I’m not tossing one on my holster. If someone feels they need it, not going to argue it with them. If I end up dying without the tourniquet there, it is what it is.